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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function e^x/x in the context of a differential equations exam. Participants explore various approaches to the integral, including series expansions and the implications of divergence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a series expansion for e^x and attempts to integrate it term by term, concluding that the integral diverges.
  • Another participant challenges the logic of the first participant, suggesting that the term-by-term integration is incorrect and that the integration of the 1/x term was omitted.
  • Some participants express confusion about the integration process and the nature of the series involved, particularly regarding the harmonic series and its divergence.
  • There are discussions about the proper use of notation and LaTeX formatting, with participants attempting to clarify their mathematical expressions.
  • One participant acknowledges a flaw in their logic regarding the integration with respect to n, indicating uncertainty about their previous reasoning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the initial integration approach. There are multiple competing views regarding the correctness of the logic and the implications of the series involved, leaving the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the integration process, the treatment of series, and the conditions under which the series diverges. There are also limitations in the clarity of mathematical expressions due to formatting issues.

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I just got out of a differential equations exam. In that exam, i had to integrate e^x/x (e power x over x)

I worked it out on scratch, and i came up with this:


e^x = Sum(i=0->infinity){X^n/n!}

So dividing by x we get Sum(i=0->infinity){x^(n-1)/n!}.
By integrating we get e^x.Sum(i=0->infinity){1/n}.
The latter series diverges, so i concluded that we can't find a solution to that integeral. I re-checked the work that lead to that equation like four times, and it was all correct.

So could it be that the there was a fault in the exam?

HALP!
(sorry didn't use latex or whatever it is called to represent my calculations)
 
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well, you should check again cos your logic is wrong - the term by term integral doesn't equal what you said it is, and omits to integrate the 1/x term at the beginning as well.
 
did't understand.
Integral of x^(n-1)/n!=X^n/n.n! right?

sumation(x^n/n!) is e^x no? so you are left with the harmonic series which diverges.

I can't find that logical error i might have made, can you clarify please?
 
DrKareem said:
did't understand.
Integral of x^(n-1)/n!=X^n/n.n! right?

sumation(x^n/n!) is e^x no? so you are left with the harmonic series which diverges.

I can't find that logical error i might have made, can you clarify please?

Well, for starters you should recogonize that
[tex]\frac{x}{n} < \frac{x}{n!}[/tex]
so it's not the harmonic series.

I assume you wanted to do something like:
[tex]\frac{1}{x}e^x=\frac{1}{x} \sum \frac{x^n}{n!}=\sum \frac{x^{n-1}}{n!}=\sum \frac{x^{n-1}}{n(n-1)!}[/tex]
but it's not at all clear to me what that last sum is going to be equal to.

Mathematica/Wolfram indicate that the result is pretty ugly.
 
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Hmm, can you clarify those? didn't get what you're typing...can't see it
 
OH, and you'd get 1/n, not x/n.

the series 1/n diverges...
 
[tex]e^x=\sum\frac{x^n}{n!}[/tex],


[tex]\frac{e^x}{x}=\frac{e^n-1}{n!}[/tex], This should be e^(n-1)/n!, dunn why it isn't working with Latex


[tex]\int\frac{e^x}{x}dx=\int\frac{e^n}{n.n!}[/tex],


But [tex]\frac{x^n}{n!}=e^x[/tex],


Thus[tex]\int \frac{e^x}{x}dx=e^x.\sum \frac{1}{n}[/tex],

But [tex]\sum \frac{1}{n}[/tex] would diverge, thus the integral can't be found.


Edit: Hmmm, i read the Latex help file, and i doesn't seem to work :/
 
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You need to end things with [ /tex] (no space). You have reversed the /-sign (to \).
 
yep sorted it out now :) thx

Come to think of it, i do have a hole in my logic lol...how can i integrate with respect to n, can I? dun think so :P


*kareem is the newb*
 
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DrKareem said:
[tex]\frac{e^x}{x}=\frac{e^n-1}{n!}[/tex], This should be e^(n-1)/n!, dunn why it isn't working with Latex

To group in Latex use {}'s - for example e^{n-1}.
As in
[tex]\frac{e^x}{x}\neq\frac{e^{n-1}}{n!}[/tex]
but
[tex]\frac{e^x}{x} = \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{x^{n-1}}{n!}[/tex]
 
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Yes, i was aware of that, but i just didn't bother, that was unproffesional :(
 

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