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kakarotyjn
Sep30-11, 11:13 PM
Consider the infinite disjoint union M = \coprod\limits_{i = 1}^\infty {M_i },where M_i 's are all manifolds of finite type of the same dimension n.Then the de Rham cohomology is a direct product H^q (M) = \prod\limits_i {H^q (M_i )}(why?),but the compact cohomology is a direct sum H_c^q (M) = \mathop \oplus \limits_i H_c^q (M_i )(why?).

Taking the dual of the compact cohomology is a direct sum H^{q}_{c}(M)=\oplus_{i}H^{q}_{c}(M_i)(why?).

The question is indicated by red word,by the way I need to prove Kunneth Formula for compact cohomology using Poincare duality and the Kunneth formula for de Rham cohomology.But I don't know how to deal with the Dual space (H^{n-q}_{c}(m))^{*}.Any ideas?

Thank you very much!

quasar987
Oct1-11, 08:06 AM
Consider the infinite disjoint union M = \coprod\limits_{i = 1}^\infty {M_i },where M_i 's are all manifolds of finite type of the same dimension n.Then the de Rham cohomology is a direct product H^q (M) = \prod\limits_i {H^q (M_i )}(why?),
but the compact cohomology is a direct sum H_c^q (M) = \mathop \oplus \limits_i H_c^q (M_i )(why?).

This seems natural enough no? I mean when you think about it at the level of chains... a q-form on M is entirely determined by its restriction to each component M_i, so this sets up an isomorphism between C^q(M) and the product of ther C^q(M_i). And this identification identifies Z^q(M) with the product of the Z^q(M_i) and B^q(M() with the product of the B^q(M_i). So that's that.

As for compact cohomology, the restriction homomorphism at the chain level maps Ccq(M) not unto the whole product of the Ccq(M_i)'s but onto the direct sum only, simply because if you take a q-form w on M, then it must be 0 onall but finitely many iof the M_i's since it has compact support!

Taking the dual of the compact cohomology is a direct sum H^{q}_{c}(M)=\oplus_{i}H^{q}_{c}(M_i)(why?).

Show quite generally that for a collection V_i of vector spaces, the dual of their direct sum is naturally isomorphic to the direct sum of their dual.

The question is indicated by red word,by the way I need to prove Kunneth Formula for compact cohomology using Poincare duality and the Kunneth formula for de Rham cohomology.But I don't know how to deal with the Dual space (H^{n-q}_{c}(m))^{*}.Any ideas?

Thank you very much!

So using PD and Kunneth for the Rham, you end up with a natural iso

(H_c^{n-q}(M))^*\cong \oplus_{i+j=q}(H_c^{n-i}(M))^*\otimes (H_c^{n-j}(M))^*

First use that for any two vector spaces, V^*\otimes W^* is naturally isomorphic to (V\otimes W)^*.

Then use the natural ismorphism about duals of direct sum proven above. Then you have

(H_c^{n-q}(M))^*\cong \left(\oplus_{i+j=q}H_c^{n-i}(M)\otimes H_c^{n-j}(M)\right)^*

Then use that if V,W are naturallyu isomorphic, then so are V* and W*, and finally, use the natural iso btw a v. space V and its double dual V** to obtain the natural iso

H_c^{n-q}(M)\cong \oplus_{i+j=q}H_c^{n-i}(M)\otimes H_c^{n-j}(M)

So in the end, the problem is one big exercice in finding natural isomorphisms!

kakarotyjn
Oct3-11, 08:54 AM
Thank you very much quasar987!

But I'm sorry that I still can't understand why \omega with compact support is not 0 only on finitely many of M_i,then the compact cohomology is a direct sum ?Could you recommend me some books deal with direct sum and direct product.

And I'm sorry that the third formula is not H_c^q (M) = \oplus _i H_c^q (M_i ) ,but is (H_c^q (M))^* = \prod _i H_c^q (M_i ) ,the dual space is direct product.

And these days I product another question that:Could all the forms in H^* (M \times N) be represented by \omega \wedge \eta for \omega and \eta in H^*(M) and H^*(N) in respect? If it's yes,how to represent (x+y)dxdy in H(R2)by
\omega \wedge \eta for omega is in H(R1) and eta is in H(R1)?

Thank you!

kakarotyjn
Oct3-11, 08:58 AM
another question:why the pairing of poincare duality is from H^*(M) and H^*_c(M)?
why not H^*(M) and H^*(M) or H^*_c(M)and H^*_c(M)?

Thank you !

quasar987
Oct3-11, 12:17 PM
Given a family V_i of vector spaces indexed by some set I, the direct product of the V_i is the vector space of all the "I-tuples" or "I-indexed sequences" (v_i)_{i\in I} (formally, this idea is made precise by identifying (v_i)_{i\in I} with the maps f:I\rightarrow \bigcup_iV_i such that f(i) is in V_i.)

The direct sum of the V_i is the linear subspace \bigoplus_iV_i of \prod_iV_i consisting of all the I-tuples (v_i) for which all but finitely many of the v_i are 0.

quasar987
Oct3-11, 12:25 PM
Thank you very much quasar987!

But I'm sorry that I still can't understand why \omega with compact support is not 0 only on finitely many of M_i,then the compact cohomology is a direct sum ?

With the definition above, it should be clear. We have a map of chain complex C^q(M)\rightarrow \prod_iC^q(M_i) defined by \omega\mapsto (\omega|_{M_i})_{i\in I}. But omega has compact support, so it is zero on all but finitely many of the M_i (otherwise, we could construct a sequence in supp(omega) by taking no more than 1 point in each M_i, and so this sequence would have no convergent subsequence, which contradicts compactness). So we see that (\omega|_{M_i})_{i\in I} actually lives in the smaller space \bigoplus_iC^q(M_i)! Show that \omega\mapsto (\omega|_{M_i})_{i\in I} is an isomorphism onto \bigoplus_iC^q(M_i)(easy).


Could you recommend me some books deal with direct sum and direct product.

Maybe just Lee's Intro to smooth manifold (the appendix) if what I said just above does not quench your thirst.

And I'm sorry that the third formula is not H_c^q (M) = \oplus _i H_c^q (M_i ) ,but is (H_c^q (M))^* = \prod _i H_c^q (M_i ) ,the dual space is direct product.

Ah, you're right, the correct formula to prove is

\left(\bigoplus_iV_i\right)^*\cong \prod_iV_i^*

But this has no impact on the steps I suggested to solve your problem about kunneth for compact support. Why? Because notice that in the event that the indexing set I is finite (as is the case for the derahm cohomology of a compact manifold), then \prod_iV_i = \bigoplus_iV_i!

quasar987
Oct3-11, 12:44 PM
Ah, but what I wrote in post #2 about Kunneth is pretty much nonsense notation wise. For instance, for the first formula, I meant to write

(H_c^{n-q}(M\times N))^*\cong \oplus_{i+j=q}(H_c^{n-i}(M))^*\otimes (H_c^{n-j}(N))^*

etc. I apologize.

quasar987
Oct3-11, 01:04 PM
And these days I product another question that:Could all the forms in H^* (M \times N) be represented by \omega \wedge \eta for \omega and \eta in H^*(M) and H^*(N) in respect?

Notice that it does not make sense to talk about \omega \wedge \eta if omega and eta do not live on the same manifold... But actually when you think about it a bit it does make sense, if by \omega \wedge \eta we actually mean pr_M^*\omega \wedge pr_N^*\eta . And this has a name in algebraic topology.. it is called the cohomology cross product of omega and eta and we write

\omega\times \eta := pr_M^*\omega \wedge pr_N^*\eta

This is defined at the level of chains, but it persist at the cohomology level and it is precisely this map that gives the isomorphism in the Kunneth theorem.

quasar987
Oct3-11, 01:15 PM
another question:why the pairing of poincare duality is from H^*(M) and H^*_c(M)?
why not H^*(M) and H^*(M) or H^*_c(M)and H^*_c(M)?

Thank you !

Mmmh.. Well, first notice that in the case M is compact, all the options you wrote above are the same because H*(M)=H*_c(M) in that case. In case M is not compact, we at least need one of the 2 forms omega and eta to be of compact support if their exterior product is to be of compact support. And this we need if

\int_M\omega\wedge \eta

is to be well-defined.

kakarotyjn
Oct5-11, 08:36 AM
Thank you very much quasar987!Now I know it better!:smile: