E.Field - E.Potential conversion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conversion of electric field sensitivity thresholds to electric potential thresholds, particularly in the context of oscillating electric fields. Participants explore the relationship between electric field and electric potential, considering various scenarios and complexities involved in the conversion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions the relationship E = -∇Φ and questions its application to determine the electric potential threshold from a given electric field threshold.
  • Another participant explains that the conversion depends on the behavior of the electric field, noting that in ideal cases like a constant electric field, the potential drop can be calculated simply, but this does not hold for more complex scenarios.
  • A participant highlights that the voltage may not reflect the peak electric field in oscillating fields, using a sine function as an example where the voltage difference is zero despite a non-zero peak electric field.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for additional information about the sensor and the incident radiation to make any approximations for calculating the potential threshold from the electric field threshold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and knowledge about the topic, with some acknowledging the complexity of the relationship between electric field and potential. There is no consensus on how to approach the conversion without further information.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific details about the sensor's operation, the nature of the incident radiation, and the measurement conditions, which are necessary for making accurate calculations.

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Hi,

I'm given a sensitivity threshold for a system in terms of the electric field. Is there any way of finding what the threshold is in terms of electric potential?
I know the relation [itex]E=-\nabla\Phi[/itex], but I don't see how I can apply it here.

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Given [itex]E_{t} \mbox{ in } [\frac{V}{m}][/itex] what is [itex]\Phi_{t} \mbox{ in } [V][/itex]?
 
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That all depends on how the electric field behaves. If the electric field is a constant field, like in an idealized parallel plate capacitor, then the potential drop between two points along the field would be -E*d. But of course this only works out for a small set of idealized cases. If you were to look at say the voltage drop across the terminals of a connector (say a coaxial termination) then the voltage to electric field relationship would be much more complicated.

EDIT: I should also mention that the voltage may not indicate the peak electric field either. Take for example the case where the electric field is a sine function. The function is zero at the terminals and has a wavelength equal to the distance between the terminals. So in this case, the voltage difference between the terminals is zero (the integral of the electric field between the two points) yet the peak amplitude of the electric field can be anything.
 
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I have to admit that most of what you said is well beyond my knowledge.

The field is in fact oscillating and I'm given the frequency [itex]f[/itex]. Hence, the information that I have is as follows:
My sensors can detect an electric field of peak amplitude [itex]E_t[/itex], when the frequency of the field is [itex]f[/itex].
Is there an easy way (for a non-physicist) to calculate the equivalent detection threshold for the electric potential?
 
Can anyone shed some light on this?
 
Before this post gets lost at the bottom of the list I was hoping someone could help me understand this a bit better.
 
Apteronotus said:
I have to admit that most of what you said is well beyond my knowledge.

The field is in fact oscillating and I'm given the frequency [itex]f[/itex]. Hence, the information that I have is as follows:
My sensors can detect an electric field of peak amplitude [itex]E_t[/itex], when the frequency of the field is [itex]f[/itex].
Is there an easy way (for a non-physicist) to calculate the equivalent detection threshold for the electric potential?

Having only been given this information, no. We would need to know more about the sensor, how it works, about the incident radiation, and where you wish to measure the potential difference. We could probably make some simple approximations but we wouldn't know if they are applicable.
 

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