Pluto's Planet Status: The Truth About the Ninth Planet of Our Solar System

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of Pluto within our solar system, exploring its status as a planet versus a planetoid, and the implications of such classifications. Participants reflect on historical perspectives, definitions, and the broader context of celestial bodies in the Kuiper Belt.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recall being taught that Pluto is the ninth planet, while others mention recent claims that it may not have formed with the other planets and could be a captured object.
  • One participant expresses indifference towards Pluto's classification, emphasizing the historical significance of Clyde Tombaugh and the potential for increased attention if Pluto is reclassified.
  • There is a discussion on the subjective nature of defining Pluto as a planet versus a planetoid, with some arguing that the latter may be a more objective classification.
  • A participant suggests that if Pluto and Charon are considered a binary system, then other celestial bodies, such as the Earth-Moon system, should also be classified similarly.
  • Mike Brown's perspective is cited, stating that if Pluto were discovered today, it would likely not be classified as a planet due to its characteristics as a Kuiper Belt object.
  • Questions are raised about the number of Kuiper Belt objects that might be classified as planetoids based on their mass and orbit around the Sun.
  • Another participant notes that Pluto's uniqueness lies in being the largest and first discovered object in the Kuiper Belt, despite many others being classified similarly.
  • One participant argues for Pluto's classification as a planet, suggesting that definitions in astronomy are often arbitrary and that changing Pluto's status would disrupt educational mnemonics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on Pluto's classification, with no consensus reached. Some support its status as a planet, while others advocate for its classification as a planetoid, reflecting ongoing debate and differing definitions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the lack of a universally accepted definition of a planet, which contributes to the ambiguity surrounding Pluto's classification. Participants acknowledge that definitions may vary based on historical context and subjective interpretations.

"Pluto": what's it to you?

  • Not a planet

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • A single planet

    Votes: 10 43.5%
  • A binary planet

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • Other (explain below)

    Votes: 3 13.0%

  • Total voters
    23
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Since I was a young Earthling, I had been told that Pluto was the ninth and outmost planet of our solar system.

More recently, I have heard that Pluto did not form with the rest of our planets, had actually been captured late in the game, and therefore was not a planet at all.

Today I ventured with my girlfriend (also an Earthling) to the National Air and Space Museum, where we were informed that Pluto is actually a binary planet, along with its "moon" Charon.
 
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I voted "other" because I don't care one way or the other. I will always remember Clyde Tombaugh because he was held up to us who grew up in the Cold War as an example of what a dedicated amateur could aspire to. When Sputnik was launched in 1957, suddenly US schools started taking sciences a bit more seriously, and Clyde was a handy role model. Yeah, Pluto is tiny and it has an inclined, elliptical orbit...it is least like the other planets in many respects, but who cares how it is classified? If it is classified as a "planetoid" or some such, teachers will have to spend time explaining its "demotion", and it will get more attention that way than it does currently.
 
It really depends on your definition of planet, some people like to thik of it as the smallest planet, this is mainly for historical reasons, others like to look on it as the largest object in a group of objects much more abundant than the planets - the planetoids. Arguably defining it as a planetoid is more objective than defining it as a planet, but then again the whole excerise as defining it as planet vs planetoid is fairly subjective.
 
If pluto-charon is considered a "binary" system, then certain earth-luna should be also!
 
Mike Brown of Caltech [co-discover of Quaoar] made this comment. "If Pluto were discovered today, no one would even consider calling it a planet because it's clearly a Kuiper Belt object."
 
A single planet!
It's only charming that it is a bit weird..
 
How many Kuiper belt objects are now considered to be in planetary orbit(?) around Sol and of sufficient mass(?) to be planetoids?
 
It's a member of the EKB, just like several thousand others. Its uniqueness is twofold - it's the largest (so far) and first to be discovered (being a binary is not unique - not only is Earth-Luna a binary, but there are at least 5 other EKB objects which are binary).

As to Loren's question, it depends on your definitions. AFAIK, EKB objects aren't categorised by size (no more than asteriod belt ones are); and the http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/lists/MPLists.html distinguishes between 'trans-Neptunian objects' (the classic EKB?), 'Centaurs' (orbit inside Neptune, e.g. Chiron), and 'scattered disk objects' (Sedna is listed as one such; it may, however, be the first discovered of a quite different kind of object).
 
Seeing as there's no actual definition of what a planet is I'm going to vote it's a planet because it's a rather arbitrary definition anyway. Astronomy is filled with archaic things that would make more sense if we didn't use them the way they are (such as stellar magnitudes for example) so who really cares about one more?
Plus if we demoted Pluto from planethood the mnemonic "My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas" wouldn't work anymore and then where would we be? :cry:
 

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