Finding the maximum velocity of a wave on a tight string

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The problem involves analyzing the displacement of a wave on a tight string, represented by a cosine function. The original poster seeks to determine the expression for the velocity of a section of the string and identify the maximum value of this velocity, particularly in relation to the wave propagation speed.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the wave equation to find the velocity and suggests that the maximum occurs when the sine function equals one. Some participants question the correctness of this approach and discuss potential sign errors in the differentiation process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the differentiation steps and questioning assumptions about the maximum velocity. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the maximum value of the velocity and its relationship to the wave speed.

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Participants are navigating through potential errors in differentiation and the implications of those errors on the maximum velocity. There is also a mention of the need to clarify the conditions under which the maximum velocity is being evaluated.

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Homework Statement


If the displacement of a tight string is represented by

y(x,t)= Acos(2∏/λ(x-vt))

Determine an expression for the velocity vy at which a section of the string travels. What is the maximum value of Vy? When is this maximum value greater than the wave propagation speed v?

The Attempt at a Solution



I started by differentiating the equation to get Vy = -A(2∏/λ)vsin((2∏/λ)(x-vt))
I then said that Vy would reach a maximum when sin((2∏/λ)(x-vt)) = 1 but I don't think this is right. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
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I then said that Vy would reach a maximum when sin((2∏/λ)(x-vt)) = 1 but I don't think this is right.
Why not? It gives a maximum speed of Aω
 
This is incorrect:

y(x,t)= Acos(2∏/λ(x-vt))

[itex]y(x,t)=Acos(\frac{2 ∏}{λ}(x-vt))[/itex]

Then you have differentiated. With respect to t :

Vy = -A(2∏/λ)vsin((2∏/λ)(x-vt))

[itex]\frac{d y(x,t)}{dx}= -A(\frac{2∏}{λ}) v sin(\frac{2∏}{λ}(x-vt))[/itex]

However, I think that you may have a small sign error. The -v should give you one minus sign, but you also differentiated cos(x) which gives -sin(x)

So:

[itex]\frac{d y(x,t)}{dx}= v_{y}= A(\frac{2∏}{λ}) v sin(\frac{2∏}{λ}(x-vt))[/itex]

So far so good. Then by stating that the [itex]v_{y}=1[/itex] you are effectively stating that you believe the maximum value that Vy can be is 1.

This may be correct in some contexts, but my advise would be to consider how you would find the maximum of a function using differentiation?
 
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So far so good. Then by stating that the vy=1 you are effectively stating that you believe the maximum value that Vy can be is 1.
I don't think OP said that, I thought he said:

"I then said that Vy would reach a maximum when sin((2∏/λ)(x-vt)) = 1 "So: the max v would be A(2∏λ)v wouldn't it?
 
My apologies for my mistake you are indeed correct. Please ignore my ramblings.
 
No worries, done that myself.
Checking via differentiation was good advise though.
 

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