Why do we need SEX ?

[Saint]

For fun or for procreation ?

or both?

Too much and too little sex is no good?
How much is consider "proper" ?

[franznietzsche]

I think the whole thing is over analyzed. Fun or procreation, doesn't matter as long as you're responsible about it.

As for amounts...well, let's just say the more the merrier :wink:

And as for people's ideas of proper, they don't matter. you can't dictate morality to anyone else, so you can't dictate what is "proper."

[Gokul43201]

Organisms evolve in the direction that makes sex fun.

The majority of sex being had by people is for 'fun'...or (to use a better word) pleasure.

Now there's also a lot a sex that is intended as an effort at procreation, but nevertheless is also pleasurable.

And finally, there's really no absolute scale for what is considered too much or too little sex. But here are some guidelines that might apply :

- If sex is keeping you from school or work, you're probably having too much
- if sex all night makes you fall asleep at school or work, it's probably a little too much
- if you can't find time for meals between sex, you could be getting too much
- if buying condoms is driving you deep into debt (and 'debt' is not a person, mind you :wink:), that might be a little excessive

- if you go to the doctor asking why your wife is not getting pregnant, and you lookstymied when the doctor asks you how often you try, you're likely not having enough
- if you wife/girlfriend has to give you directions every time, then you might consider reducing the intervals between

[Kerrie]

shouldn't this thread be in the philosophy forums? :tongue2: okay, maybe even the other sciences forum??

if sex wasn't any fun, the world would certainly be underpopulated...let's face it, we are ultimately slaves to our bodily chemicals... :bugeye:

[franznietzsche]

shouldn't this thread be in the philosophy forums? :tongue2: okay, maybe even the other sciences forum??

if sex wasn't any fun, the world would certainly be underpopulated...let's face it, we are ultimately slaves to our bodily chemicals... :bugeye:

But its a fun slavery.

[Moonbear]

We need sex because it's the best party on the ballot! :rofl:
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=54515&page=2

Saint, I'm hesitant to provide any sort of serious answer to your question. Usually everyone posts an honest or fun answer to these questions you ask, only for you to come back and tell us we're all immoral. We could save you the trouble. Just list what you think the answers to the questions should be, and if we agree with all of them, we'll post "moral" and if we disagree with them, we'll post "immoral." :rofl:

[Gokul43201]

We need sex because it's the best party on the ballot! :rofl:
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=54515&page=2

Moonbear,

It is despicably shameful that you use this sensitive issue to ruthlessly further your political agenda. That's the last straw...I'm voting for the other guy. :wink:

[Moonbear]

Moonbear,

It is despicably shameful that you use this sensitive issue to ruthlessly further your political agenda. That's the last straw...I'm voting for the other guy. :wink:

Uh, did you notice I put you on the Sex Party Ticket too? Of course, if you'd rather not be on it, I can cross your name off the invitation list for the inaugural ball. :rofl:

[Loren Booda]

Sex is a dual edge sword - whether or not you get it you eventually end up shrivelled. :surprised

Sex is one activity where people today behave interpersonally yet primitively. Maybe sex functions in part as as release from social convention. Without it, we certainly would not have the humanity that keeps us together as a people.

[Smurf]

Without it, we certainly would not have the humanity that keeps us together as a people.
Which explains why priests and monks are so violently sadistic.

[Gokul43201]

Uh, did you notice I put you on the Sex Party Ticket too? Of course, if you'd rather not be on it, I can cross your name off the invitation list for the inaugural ball. :rofl:

Ummm...so what I'm saying is that the denial of this all-pervasive issue during this most important political period is the greater crime. To call this a shameful political move is simply playing on the weaknesses of the people.

[Saint]

Should sex be limited to "only between husband and wife" ?
Or, you may have it with anyone, as long as it is not a Rape ?

[Smurf]

Even rape is acceptable under certain circumstances.. Like if the continuation of the human race depends on it but she still won't put out :rolleyes:

[Saint]

After marriage, do you think it is still OK to have sex with a theird person? As long as you do not bring her/him home and do not let your spouse know it.

[Saint]

Even rape is acceptable under certain circumstances.. Like if the continuation of the human race depends on it but she still won't put out :rolleyes:


So far, there is no law to justify rape. :tongue:

[Gokul43201]

After marriage, do you think it is still OK to have sex with a theird person? As long as you do not bring her/him home and do not let your spouse know it.

Au contraire...

[Moonbear]

After marriage, do you think it is still OK to have sex with a theird person? As long as you do not bring her/him home and do not let your spouse know it.

This one I'll answer. No, No, No, it's not okay. If you can't tell your spouse about it, that automatically implies there's something you feel guilty about doing. But, if you're going to get married, it should be because you think that one person is the only one you want to spend your life with. If you are still "playing the field," just don't get married and pretend you're being monogamous.

[Moonbear]

Ummm...so what I'm saying is that the denial of this all-pervasive issue during this most important political period is the greater crime. To call this a shameful political move is simply playing on the weaknesses of the people.

Glad to have you onboard! :biggrin:

[franznietzsche]

After marriage, do you think it is still OK to have sex with a theird person? As long as you do not bring her/him home and do not let your spouse know it.

I would think it would only be ok if you can take the third person home and your spouse will join in...otherwise i'd say not.

[Gokul43201]

I would think it would only be ok if you can take the third person home and your spouse will join in...otherwise i'd say not.

That's what I meant.

[Moonbear]

I would think it would only be ok if you can take the third person home and your spouse will join in...otherwise i'd say not.

With those conditions, yes, it would be okay, though not advisable. I've known people who have experimented, and they say it's not as good as it sounds. Makes for a weird relationship dynamic. They didn't recommend anyone else try it.

[Saint]

When your wife get older, she can't satisfy you,
can you go out to Buy sex -- brothel ?

[Saint]

If you plan to be Not married,
is there any restriction that you can't have sex with >1 girls/boys ?

[Smurf]

So far, there is no law to justify rape. :tongue:
Laws are just peices of paper some old wanks have agreed everyone else should listen to.

[franznietzsche]

Laws are just peices of paper some old wanks have agreed everyone else should listen to.


Besides, i thought laws were justification to not do something, not jsutification to do something...silly me.

[The Bob]

If you plan to be Not married,
is there any restriction that you can't have sex with >1 girls/boys ?
Are you on some drug? That is pedafilia (and I can't spell). NO NO NO NO. Girls and Boys do not understand and teenagers experiment but really sex comes when two people are adult enough to realise what they are doing and why they are doing it.

The Bob (2004 ©)

[JasonRox]

Are you on some drug? That is pedafilia (and I can't spell). NO NO NO NO. Girls and Boys do not understand and teenagers experiment but really sex comes when two people are adult enough to realise what they are doing and why they are doing it.

The Bob (2004 ©)

Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, our ancestors never knew why they were doing it.

We have for some reason accepted that kids having sex is not normal, but it is. You don't need to know something about it. Nature didn't demand all living things to KNOW what they are doing before doing it.

What is an adult anyways? The way I see it is that just about everyone is dumb, therefore not adult. Yes, too many people are dumb and uneducated.

Note: Obviously having sex with a girl/boy is not normal nowadays, but according to nature it is normal.

I find this hard to explain, but all I have to say is that your views are messed up with the views of that society created. While society says wait until your older and that you understand, nature said and still says...

JUST DO IT!

Note: I do not promote sex between children.

[franznietzsche]

I think he was just using those as gender terms, without any age-specific connotations....


That said Saint, if you're not married you can do it with asmany people as you please, although there are still the obvious risks involved that one must be careful about.

[The Bob]

I find this hard to explain, but all I have to say is that your views are messed up with the views of that society created. While society says wait until your older and that you understand, nature said and still says...
Point made. I can see what you mean completely. It is society that has changed it but I have never heard a child ask for it, only being forced into it but your point is so valid that I apologise.

The Bob (2004 ©)

[Saint]

Most youngsters have masterbation, which gives them a certain level of sexual pleasure. So, it is naturally they will feel curious to Explore sex with opposite sex. As long as they know how to avoid pregnancy and STD, do you think it is ok for them to ignore Virginity ?

[Saint]

Do you read your horoscopes daily?
How serious do you treat it?
If the horoscopes say today you may have bad luck if you go out,
will you believe it and keep yourself at home?

I don't believe it at all.

Horoscope is like fortunetelling, just bull****s :biggrin: .

[franznietzsche]

WEll if that isn't the most random subject change ever....

[dekoi]

For fun or for procreation ?

or both?

Too much and too little sex is no good?
How much is consider "proper" ?
:cry: I could give you my answer. But it will probably be dismissed like any other.

[Moonbear]

Most youngsters have masterbation, which gives them a certain level of sexual pleasure. So, it is naturally they will feel curious to Explore sex with opposite sex. As long as they know how to avoid pregnancy and STD, do you think it is ok for them to ignore Virginity ?

I think that's up to their parents to decide what they want to teach their own kids about that.

[JasonRox]

Most youngsters have masterbation, which gives them a certain level of sexual pleasure. So, it is naturally they will feel curious to Explore sex with opposite sex. As long as they know how to avoid pregnancy and STD, do you think it is ok for them to ignore Virginity ?

You don't need to know anything.

We choose to make people know for their own safety, but its not important. If nature made it a rule to know "stuff" before having sex, then sex orientation classes would be packed with an endless waiting list because everyone wants to have sex. We don't need to know anything because if we did, they wouldn't have to force sex education in schools. Basically all nature wanted you to know was thet it's great and pleasureable.

I totally understand why people say "you need to know" or "you need to feel", but that's wrong.

To the question "why do we need sex?"

...who said we need it?

[Moonbear]

Y
To the question "why do we need sex?"

...who said we need it?

We only need it once we've had it. It's a lot easier to not need it when you don't know what you're missing.

[Evo]

We only need it once we've had it. It's a lot easier to not need it when you don't know what you're missing.Or it's been so long that you can't remember what you are missing. :frown:

[tribdog]

Even rape is acceptable under certain circumstances.. Like if the continuation of the human race depends on it but she still won't put out :rolleyes:
Or if you just blew $150 bucks on dinner and she's been flirting all night, but changes her mind when you try undoing her bra.

[franznietzsche]

We only need it once we've had it. It's a lot easier to not need it when you don't know what you're missing.


THE TRUTH!!


Bane of my existence, damn TRUTH.

[franznietzsche]

Or it's been so long that you can't remember what you are missing. :frown:


Ouch. Lonely nights Evo?

Go out, club a man over the head and bring him back!

[tribdog]

Ouch. Lonely nights Evo?

Go out, club a man over the head and bring him back!
or even better
go out, give a man head in a club...

[Smurf]

We only need it once we've had it. It's a lot easier to not need it when you don't know what you're missing.
Or it's been so long that you can't remember what you are missing. :frown:
I have the answer!!

SEX IS AN ADDICTIVE DRUG!!

[franznietzsche]

or even better
go out, give a man head in a club...


Yeah, but i figured she'd be more likely to take my suggestion on a whim.

[franznietzsche]

I have the answer!!

SEX IS AN ADDICTIVE DRUG!!


You have no idea how true that is.

[Smurf]

You have no idea how true that is.
I really hate it when people say "You have no Idea... blah blah blah"

HOW THE F*** DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DO AND DONT KNOW!!
AHHHHH!!!!!

(sorry, pet peeve)

[tribdog]

I disagree. Drugs are easy. No effort involved.
You have no idea how hard I've worked, the countless hours of study, to become as good in bed as I am.

[franznietzsche]

I really hate it when people say "You have no Idea... blah blah blah"

HOW THE F*** DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DO AND DONT KNOW!!
AHHHHH!!!!!

(sorry, pet peeve)

I take it i was actually right when i said that?

[Smurf]

I disagree. Drugs are easy. No effort involved.
You have no idea how hard I've worked, the countless hours of study, to become as good in bed as I am.
Ok.. so it's an expensive drug that takes ages to peak.

[franznietzsche]

I disagree. Drugs are easy. No effort involved.
You have no idea how hard I've worked, the countless hours of study, to become as good in bed as I am.


It shouldn't take that much work...or maybe i'm unique...

[franznietzsche]

Ok.. so it's an expensive drug that takes ages to peak.


If by ages you mean an hour...yeah.

[Smurf]

I take it i was actually right when i said that?
Like I said, pet peeve.

[Smurf]

If by ages you mean an hour...yeah.
You have a talent for making something out of nothing.

[franznietzsche]

You have a talent for making something out of nothing.


Once again, i have no idea if i should take that a compliment or an insult. Since its probably an insult, i'll consider it a cmopliment, making it easier to reply...

Things are more fun that way.

[Smurf]

Your welcome.

[Moonbear]

Or if you just blew $150 bucks on dinner and she's been flirting all night, but changes her mind when you try undoing her bra.

Is that in Arizona dollars? And to think I was going to settle for the blanket fort in the kitchen. I'll have to raise my prices. :rofl:

[Moonbear]

I have the answer!!

SEX IS AN ADDICTIVE DRUG!!

It is. I'll have to write up something about that for the bio forum one of these days.

[Smurf]

I wonder if I can get a perscription for it.
"What do you mean NO? Doctor's orders baby, We have to!"

[tribdog]

You'd still be a bargain

[Moonbear]

You'd still be a bargain

Are you saying I'm cheap? :eek:

[Moonbear]

I wonder if I can get a perscription for it.
"What do you mean NO? Doctor's orders baby, We have to!"

You should add that to the worst pick-up lines thread! :rofl:

[franznietzsche]

You should add that to the worst pick-up lines thread! :rofl:

I would say thats a pretty good one, rather than a worst one

[tribdog]

Are you saying I'm cheap? :eek:
No, I'm saying no amount, no matter how big, would be too much. No, no amount, no matter how big, would be enough.
Many things are called priceless, few really are. Perhaps you are one.

[Smurf]

I would say thats a pretty good one, rather than a worst one
Too late :biggrin:

[Moonbear]

No, I'm saying no amount, no matter how big, would be too much. No, no amount, no matter how big, would be enough.
Many things are called priceless, few really are. Perhaps you are one.

:blushing:

[Smurf]

A million dollars would do it. :shy:

[franznietzsche]

No, I'm saying no amount, no matter how big, would be too much. No, no amount, no matter how big, would be enough.
Many things are called priceless, few really are. Perhaps you are one.

Sycophant.
A very good sycophant, but one nonetheless.

[tribdog]

I'm not a sycophant, I'm Aquarius

[franznietzsche]

I'm not a sycophant, I'm Aquarius

Good enough for me.

[Smurf]

I'd respond if I knew what either of those things were, but dictionary.com is 404 right now for some reason. Let's just assume I agree with Franz.

[franznietzsche]

I'd respond if I knew what either of those things were, but dictionary.com is 404 right now for some reason. Let's just assume I agree with Franz.


Wouldn't that normally be a bad assumption, or am i confused again?

[Smurf]

We only have to disagree on the political subforum, we're safe here.

[Moonbear]

I'm not a sycophant, I'm Aquarius

LOL! Hi, I'm a Scorpio!

http://love.astrology.com/features/astrology/lovematch/scorpioaquarius.html

:rofl:

[franznietzsche]

Oh ok. Usually people who disagree with me in one area just decide that i'm wrong everywhere else, so thats an unusual position.

[franznietzsche]

LOL! Hi, I'm a Scorpio!

http://love.astrology.com/features/astrology/lovematch/scorpioaquarius.html

:rofl:


Basically, you two just would never work.

[Moonbear]

Basically, you two just would never work.

Oh, I thought it said we'd get along wonderfully...once we beat each other to death! :rofl:

[Saint]

Some people (men) think that sexual pleasure has to do with the Physical Size of the genital organ. The longer the better!
To men, may be this is true.
But to women, sex is not only limited to physiology, but encompasses mentality too,
they need romantic ambience before having sex.

Another question is,
do you think sex is limited to "the penetration of penis into vagina?"
Is it ok to do something more than that? To find other "inlets" ?

[Smurf]

Oh, I thought it said we'd get along wonderfully...
No that would be You and I. (http://love.astrology.com/features/astrology/lovematch/leoscorpio.html)

[Gokul43201]

Oh ok. Usually people who disagree with me in one area just decide that i'm wrong everywhere else

No franz, we don't. I've got to disagree with you on that.

[Smurf]

Some people (men) think that sexual pleasure has to do with the Physical Size of the genital organ. The longer the better!
To men, may be this is true.
But to women, sex is not only limited to physiology, but encompasses mentality too,
they need romantic ambience before having sex.
What are you a F**? I bet you're just small

[franznietzsche]

Actually i think We would make the best match. http://love.astrology.com/features/astrology/lovematch/piscesscorpio.html ('Us')

[tribdog]

Basically, you two just would never work.
I can change. Really I can.

[Saint]

I know that the black has the most tremendous size of it,
the asians are generally inferior in size.

[Moonbear]

No that would be You and I. (http://love.astrology.com/features/astrology/lovematch/leoscorpio.html)

LOL! Leo's sound kind of needy. :rofl:

[Gokul43201]

Another question is,
do you think sex is limited to "the penetration of penis into vagina?"
Is it ok to do something more than that? To find other "inlets" ?

Finally :rofl:....a real gem...I've been waiting so long. :approve:

[franznietzsche]

What are you a F**? I bet you're just small



99 bottle of whiskey on the wall....
Ohh, look at the...wit on her...
98 bottles of whiskey on the wall..

[Smurf]

LOL! Leo's sound kind of needy. :rofl:

:mad: oh yeah well Scorpios sound kind of controlly :yuck:

[Saint]

just answer the question straightforwardly.
serius question!

Can sex be defined as something more than "sexual organ" ?

[Moonbear]

I can change. Really I can.

Yep, that's what it said, once we beat each other to death, we'll both mellow each other out...but where's the fun in being mellow? :biggrin:

[franznietzsche]

LOL! Leo's sound kind of needy. :rofl:

I'm not needy, I'm addicted!

[Smurf]

My personal definition is that if a person climaxes, it is sex of one sort of another.

[Smurf]

I'm not needy, I'm addicted!
Yeah! You tell her Franz!

[franznietzsche]

My personal definition is that if a person climaxes, it is sex of one sort of another.


That reminds me...

[annoying voice]
THIS ONE TIME, AT HER HOUSE....
[/annoying voice]

[JasonRox]

That reminds me...

[annoying voice]
THIS ONE TIME, AT HER HOUSE....
[/annoying voice]

I thought it was a band camp, but I could be wrong. :confused:

[franznietzsche]

I thought it was a band camp, but I could be wrong. :confused:


That was the reference yes...

[Shay10825]

Most youngsters have masterbation, which gives them a certain level of sexual pleasure. So, it is naturally they will feel curious to Explore sex with opposite sex. As long as they know how to avoid pregnancy and STD, do you think it is ok for them to ignore Virginity ?
I agree but most adults don't. They just say don't do it until your older but they don't know how hard it is to not want to. It's hard because you want to try it but you don't want to get and STD or pregnant.


We only need it once we've had it. It's a lot easier to not need it when you don't know what you're missing.
NOt really. It's hard not to do it because you don't know what you are missing. Everyone everywhere is talking about it (we even talk about it in some classes) and it's hard because you want to know what you are missing.

Some people (men) think that sexual pleasure has to do with the Physical Size of the genital organ. The longer the better!
To men, may be this is true.
But to women, sex is not only limited to physiology, but encompasses mentality too,
they need romantic ambience before having sex.

Another question is,
do you think sex is limited to "the penetration of penis into vagina?"
Yes and no. Yes if you are talking about weather or not it determines if you are a virgin or not. No beacuse you could do other things (oral sex) to get the same pleasure. Oral sex is not really "sex" but you still can get the same feelings without having "sex."

[Saint]

Using condom can reduce men's pleasure,
what alternative we have?

[Moonbear]

Using condom can reduce men's pleasure,
what alternative we have?

Masturbation. No condom, no sex, unless it's with your wife for the purpose of procreation.

[Saint]

The survey shows that, in america, most youngsters will feel shy if they are asked whether they have sexual intercourse experience and the answer is No,
thus, they are forced to get involved in sex as early as possible to avoid shame.

True?

[Shay10825]

The survey shows that, in america, most youngsters will feel shy if they are asked whether they have sexual intercourse experience and the answer is No,
thus, they are forced to get involved in sex as early as possible to avoid shame.

True?
It depends on who you are. There are some people that think that they have to do it to be "cool" but most people I know don't. Usually the people that call themselves "pimps" think that they have to do it. Most people just want to do it to see what it's like.

[Moonbear]

The survey shows that, in america, most youngsters will feel shy if they are asked whether they have sexual intercourse experience and the answer is No,
thus, they are forced to get involved in sex as early as possible to avoid shame.

True?

No, they do what youngsters have always done; they lie about it and say they did when they didn't.

[JasonRox]

It depends on who you are. There are some people that think that they have to do it to be "cool" but most people I know don't. Usually the people that call themselves "pimps" think that they have to do it. Most people just want to do it to see what it's like.

This must explain why Saint said "most", the keyword.

[franznietzsche]

NOt really. It's hard not to do it because you don't know what you are missing. Everyone everywhere is talking about it (we even talk about it in some classes) and it's hard because you want to know what you are missing.



No. That can be hard yes. BUt it will be much harder once you know what you are missing. Much.

[Saint]

if virginity is not important, then there is no taboo about sex, right?

Do you think parents have the right to control their children (17<age<21) NOT to have sex?

[Smurf]

I don't think Parents have any rights over their children, I think children should be educated by the community and no one person(s) should be given ownership or controll over them.

[Gokul43201]

I don't think Parents have any rights over their children, I think children should be educated by the community and no one person(s) should be given ownership or controll over them.

Yeah...let's see the community staying up all night or changing your baby's diapers.

[franznietzsche]

I don't think Parents have any rights over their children, I think children should be educated by the community and no one person(s) should be given ownership or controll over them.

Someone has seen Brave New World too many times methinks...

[Smurf]

Never seen it.

[franznietzsche]

Read it maybe?

[Smurf]

Don't even know what it is.

But I have heard the name before somewhere.

[chroot]

Masturbation. No condom, no sex, unless it's with your wife for the purpose of procreation.
That's a little nearsighted, Moonbear, don't you think?

Not only do condoms reduce (or, in my case, almost eliminate entirely) the pleasure of sex, they're really pretty horrible for preventing pregnancy, too.

In my opinion, condoms are a last-ditch form of birth control, adequate only when you have nothing else available and just HAVE to have sex. If you're going the responsible route, get everyone tested for STDs, get on some form of effective birth control, and go at it like bunnies au natural.

- Warren

[Moonbear]

That's a little nearsighted, Moonbear, don't you think?

Not only do condoms reduce (or, in my case, almost eliminate entirely) the pleasure of sex, they're really pretty horrible for preventing pregnancy, too.

In my opinion, condoms are a last-ditch form of birth control, adequate only when you have nothing else available and just HAVE to have sex. If you're going the responsible route, get everyone tested for STDs, get on some form of effective birth control, and go at it like bunnies au natural.

- Warren

Seriously, there is no 100% method, so condoms help prevent disease spread AND provide a barrier backup to whatever other form of birth control one is using. Their efficacy is actually pretty decent as long as they are used correctly (but should never be used without an added spermicidal jelly).

But, hey, that's just my opinion. If you don't find it any fun with a condom, then you can't sleep with me until we're married. :biggrin:

[franznietzsche]

But, hey, that's just my opinion. If you don't find it any fun with a condom, then you can't sleep with me until we're married. :biggrin:

Its not that its no fun with one, its just that its more fun without.

[chroot]

Moonbear,

Condoms are only about 84% effective against pregnancy when used perfectly. Most surveys have indicated that very few people use them anywhere close to perfectly. Their realistic efficacy is probably closer to 70%. Keep in mind that these figures are the odds per year. Every single year that you use condoms, you face a 30% chance of getting pregnant.

The number of diseases that are adequately stopped by condoms is dismal. Herpes, HPV, and many other diseases require only skin exposure, not body fluid exchange, and that unavoidably happens even with condoms.

Organizations like AIM provide complete STD scans, including HIV, with a one-day turnaround. Devices like the IUD have a 99.8%+ rate of pregnancy prevention. In the face of these technologies, there really is no excuse for relying upon the condom for long-term birth control and STD prevention. In fact, I'd say doing so is irresponsible.

If your partner actually has an STD, and you use condoms, you almost assuredly will eventually contract his disease. If you frequently have sex around your ovulation, and you use condoms, you almost assuredly will eventually get pregnant.

It happened to me, with a past girlfriend.

- Warren

[Saint]

Men's sexuality is wholelife,
women's sexuality declines after menopause,
so, can men Outsource their needs?

[Les Sleeth]

If your partner actually has an STD, and you use condoms, you almost assuredly will eventually contract his disease. If you frequently have sex around your ovulation, and you use condoms, you almost assuredly will eventually get pregnant.- Warren

I am married and not worried about STDs, but birth control is always an issue. I know of another method besides what's been listed, which has worked perfectly for me during a total of 32 years of marriage and living together with my future mate. That method is coitus interruptus (and yes, I am fertile).

There are additional benefits to CI than just getting to avoid other birth control methods. The best is how it teaches one to control ejaculation so that if one wants to enjoy extended love making sessions, one can stay at the ready :!!) and fully involved. One's lovers really appreciate that skill too. :wink:

[Dooga Blackrazor]

I would disagree with that. I think it would weaken any emotional relationship with the wife (regardless of whether she knows) and I'd say it's disrepectful to the entire past relationship. Sex can be used as a physical expression but in my mind I believe it has much more potential. By making sex associated with love and turning it into something more than it may logically be I think more pleasure is achievable.

[chroot]

Les Sleeth,

You are correct that the withdrawal method is comparable to condom use in terms of effectiveness against pregnancy. That simply highlights how ineffective condoms actually are against pregnancy.

- Warren

[Dooga Blackrazor]

How do STD's work? After your tested are you safe to have unprotected sex - with the exception of worrying about pregnancy which I understand is never 100% preventable?

[chroot]

Dooga,

If you can guarantee that your partner is never unfaithful, then getting tested a couple of times over a year is adequate to guarantee that you are both clean, and do not pose an STD risk to each other.

The common contrary argument is that you can't ever really know if your partner is faithful or not.

- Warren

[franznietzsche]

Les Sleeth,

You are correct that the withdrawal method is comparable to condom use in terms of effectiveness against pregnancy. That simply highlights how ineffective condoms actually are against pregnancy.

- Warren


How does that even make sense? You just put more than a few words in his mouth. he didn't say they were comparable, he said CI has worked perfectly for him. There was no comparison. And of course that works, assuming you know when to interrupt, but it has nothing to do with condoms and their effectiveness.

[chroot]

How does that even make sense? You just put more than a few words in his mouth. he didn't say they were comparable, he said CI has worked perfectly for him. There was no comparison. And of course that works, assuming you know when to interrupt, but it has nothing to do with condoms and their effectiveness.
That's not correct at all, franz. I'm very happy for Les Sleeth that withdrawal has worked perfectly for him, but he is just one data point. Statistically, the withdrawal method is just as lousy a contraceptive as is condom use:

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html

It really doesn't work, because preseminal fluid usually does contain sperm, just not as many as semen. It only takes one.

- Warren

[Les Sleeth]

Just to stick up (so to speak) for my method, I don't believe it is the minute risk of pregnancy possible from preseminal fluid that drives up the statics for CI, it's individuals not having control. I have advised some couples on this who have told me they went back to other methods because too often the man had slipped "just a bit." I usually suggested two things.

One was to have the man practice feeling the very beginning of ejaculation, practice constricting the same muscle one uses to hold off urinating, and have one's partner learn to be completely still until the feeling passes. After a couple of those events, one can last for hours, and can even learn to keep oneself right on the verge of climax much of the time (that's really fun :smile:).

The other thing I recommended was when one does withdraw, have one's partner take hold! :blushing: (I don't know how else to explain it), and simulate what was going on while inside. That way the man doesn't have to lose the pleasurable sensation of being inside (i.e., and so won't resist pulling out), and one's partner can even learn techniques to make it feel even better!

I hope I've not been too graphic for the kids . . . :cool:

[chroot]

Les Sleeth,

That's all fine and good -- just don't advocate withdrawal as an effective birth control technique, because statistically it isn't, for whatever reason. We surely don't want to be teaching the kids in our audience here that withdrawal is an acceptable method, because it surely is not -- it is not statistically not very effective against pregnancy, and, of course, it leaves the STD door wide open.

- Warren

[Les Sleeth]

Les Sleeth,

That's all fine and good -- just don't advocate withdrawal as an effective birth control technique, because statistically it isn't, for whatever reason. We surely don't want to be teaching the kids in our audience here that withdrawal is an acceptable method, because it surely is not -- it is not statistically not very effective against pregnancy, and, of course, it leaves the STD door wide open.

Okie, dokie . . . I ONLY recommend CI to anyone married to a partner they trust, and to those manly men who can learn to control themselves while in the throes of passion. :smile:

[Moonbear]

Chroot, there are also risks to IUD use.

Of the two forms of IUD currently available, the ones that contain copper increase menstrual bleeding and is contraindicated for those at risk of iron-deficient anemia or who already have heavy menstrual bleeding. Those that contain synthetic progestins reduce menstrual bleeding, and is actually considered a way to manage excessive bleeding, but is still contraindicated in those who have sensitivities to progestins (which also precludes oral contraceptive use).

The lifetime risk for using IUDs is lower than other forms of contraception, but quite high during the first year of use, when 5-10% of IUDs become displaced or expelled, often without being noticed by the user (especially for displacement without expulsion), which can result in accidental pregnancy (at least when a condom breaks, you know it broke and can seek emergency contraception rapidly).

Also, physicians (at least in the US) will not recommend IUDs to women who are not in a monogamous relationship. Many physicians also will not recommend IUDs to women who have never experienced a pregnancy or younger than 25 (the manufacturers of the Mirena IUD specifically caution against use in women younger than 25). Women who have never had a pregnancy are more likely to have too small of a uterus for the IUD to fit properly in order to avoid expulsion. There is one that has gone through clinical trials abroad, and that has good efficacy and somewhat better safety compared to the "framed" IUDs available in the US, which is a "mini" IUD that is designed for such women, but it is not FDA approved for use in the US; this IUD is of the copper-containing variety. There are also risks of uterine peforations (a severe side effect requiring surgical intervention), that while rare, are nonetheless a major risk if you're the unlucky one.

There are other contraindications to IUD usage, though some of them also ought to be contraindications to intercourse (such as having an STD or AIDS). Others include anything that alters the shape of the uterus or occludes part of the uterine lumen, such as fibroids, which are a very common gynecologic problem.

So while IUDs can be very effective as contraception, there are a lot of women for whom this is not an option.

[franznietzsche]

That's not correct at all, franz. I'm very happy for Les Sleeth that withdrawal has worked perfectly for him, but he is just one data point. Statistically, the withdrawal method is just as lousy a contraceptive as is condom use:

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html

It really doesn't work, because preseminal fluid usually does contain sperm, just not as many as semen. It only takes one.

- Warren

1. If done properly it works, statistically it is done improperly.

2. Now you're doing the same thing to mypost and responding to things that weren't there.

[Moonbear]

Moonbear,

Condoms are only about 84% effective against pregnancy when used perfectly. Most surveys have indicated that very few people use them anywhere close to perfectly. Their realistic efficacy is probably closer to 70%.

I just want to point out that this contradicts the statistics you posted from the FDA. On their site, with typical (mis)usage, condoms had about a 14% failure rate (so 86% effective), and with completely correct usage, a 3% failure rate (so 97% efficacy). I assume those statistic referred to use of a condom as the sole form of contraception, and not in combination with a second form, which is the only way I would recommend their use as contraception.

You're right to caution that many, possibly most, people do not use condoms correctly.

[chroot]

1. If done properly it works, statistically it is done improperly.
Have fun shopping at Babies 'R' Us. :smile:

- Warren

[chroot]

(at least when a condom breaks, you know it broke and can seek emergency contraception rapidly).
I highly doubt that most people notice when the condom breaks. Sure, the massive failures are pretty obvious, but small tears are not.
Also, physicians (at least in the US) will not recommend IUDs to women who are not in a monogamous relationship.
You mentioned that people should use condoms unless they're trying to procreate with their wife, did you not? I thought we were talking about the use of condoms in long-term monogamous relationships -- something I rail against.

- Warren

[chroot]

I just want to point out that this contradicts the statistics you posted from the FDA.
Good catch. I have picked up statistics from many places over the years, and drawn my conclusions from them. I will see if I can find the primary sources I considered authoritative in the past.

- Warren

[JasonRox]

Did my post get deleted?

I said "pull out".

[Moonbear]

You mentioned that people should use condoms unless they're trying to procreate with their wife, did you not? I thought we were talking about the use of condoms in long-term monogamous relationships -- something I rail against.

- Warren

That's not what I meant. No wonder you nearly bit my head off! I think I was responding to Saint's questions about teens having sex, though there were so many topics intermingled last night, who knows what I really responded too. I was hardly being serious about my answers last night (at least not in this thread). I think you came in at the end of a very bizarre conversation. Geez, sorry if I confused you about that. :redface: If you're in a long-term, monogamous relationship, I don't give a rat's fiddle what you use as contraception, or even if you use contraception, as long as you and your partner both agree on it and understand the risks.

[Moonbear]

Have fun shopping at Babies 'R' Us. :smile:

- Warren

Oooh, I love that store! Baby clothes are soooooo cute! :biggrin:

[Les Sleeth]

Have fun shopping at Babies 'R' Us. :smile:

You are probably right that CI not the best recommendation for mindless climbing on and getting off (double meaning there) sex which seems to characterize how a lot of people have intercourse. But I am quite certain CI is awesomely effective for the CONSCIOUS, conscientous, attentive lover. I mean, at a website dedicated to intelligence, why recommend for the lowest common denominator?

[BoulderHead]

Les, you mean some folks are able to retain consciousness during the rut?!

[Les Sleeth]

Les, you mean some folks are able to retain consciousness during the rut?!

I just KNEW you were going to say that!!!! :rolleyes:

[Saint]

I know that SEX is NASTY when it is abused.

[BoulderHead]

I know that SEX is NASTY when it is abused.
Oh for goodness sake, it's always nasty! :biggrin:

[Moonbear]

Oh for goodness sake, it's always nasty! :biggrin:

:rofl:

Remember, mocking is immoral!

[Les Sleeth]

I know that SEX is NASTY when it is abused.

See, you haven't figured out yet that you can have fun with the silly conditioning that sex is nasty. If you have that trip programmed into you, then make it a fun game with your wife (make sure to talk to her about it first). Pretend you are wickedly enjoying what you aren't supposed to, pretend you are being bad and get off on that, have fun!!!!!! Sex is nothing on the scale of existence. It means NOTHING. Find a way to enjoy it with your mate, and your marriage will get a lot more interesting overnite.

[chroot]

But I am quite certain CI is awesomely effective for the CONSCIOUS, conscientous, attentive lover.
Do you have statistics to back up this assertion, or are you going to continue talking out your ***?

- Warren

[KingNothing]

I think sex is just for fun.

"Physics is like sex: sure it has practical reasons, but that's not why we do it."
-Richard Feynman

Also just to note, what Les Sleeth last said is true, but it applies to guys with girlfriends too, or even just sexual friendships.

[Saint]

There was a case here that a woman who sought a doctor to Tighten her vagina, because her husband had lose interest in making love with her due to her vagina is loose after being old and giving birth to several children,
unfortunately, the doctor gave her too much dose of anaesthetic,
she couldn't wake up and died.

SEX can kill a woman, beware!

[chroot]

Yeah, Saint, that happens nearly everyday.

- Warren

[Math Is Hard]

I'm sure I've nearly died from sex several times. Where is Humanino? I have heard that in France they colloquially call an orgasm a "little death". Is that true?

[The_Professional]

I believe one type of Tantric sex involves never ejaculating nor achieving orgasm as a way to awaken consciousness. From what I read, this is a way of preserving the life energy to prolong and heighten the experience.

[tribdog]

I don't know if I'm just tired or older or less testosterony than I used to be, but I enjoy making love. I'm not interested in nasty sex, don't want another one night stand. I like falling in and being in love.

[franznietzsche]

I believe one type of Tantric sex involves never ejaculating nor achieving orgasm as a way to awaken consciousness. From what I read, this is a way of preserving the life energy to prolong and heighten the experience.


But if she doesn't orgasm i can't hear her moaning and screaming my name, and where'sthe fun in that?

[The_Professional]

But if she doesn't orgasm i can't hear her moaning and screaming my name, and where'sthe fun in that?

I didn't say it was fun :smile: when I was writing that I was thinking more on the male side holding back

[pace]

Ok, so she IS funny :lol:

[cragwolf]

We need sex because we need something for Saint to obsess over.

[Saint]

SEX is instinct,
but need moral control

[Carly]

I'm sure I've nearly died from sex several times. Where is Humanino? I have heard that in France they colloquially call an orgasm a "little death". Is that true?

Yeah, it is. I learnt that my going to an art gallery and seeing a piece by the Chapman brothers...
Don't have a clue as to why they do though :confused:

[Les Sleeth]

Do you have statistics to back up this assertion, or are you going to continue talking out your ***?

Personal statistics: Practiced it from age 16 (learned it from my first lover, who was older and taught me). I was unusually active, growing up in the hippie era and being in the military overseas. Later practiced with two wives for about 32 years. Had one accidental pregnancy with first wife who at first insisted we use rhythm after she reacted badly to birth control pills. After than I went back to withdrawal and had no more problems.

Of course, those aren't comprehensive statistics. The problem is intepreting the statistics. I've seen quite a range in the statistics for the effectiveness of withdrawl. Cal Poly's student services, for example, reports 70-75% effectiveness. Caromont's hospital rep states:

"Withdrawal has an effectiveness rate of 81-96%. -- Amy Scholten, MPH

What can account for that? In virtually every report I've read, the emphasis is placed on the ability of the couple to practice correctly. Yes, the presence sperm in preseminal fluid is listed as a danger, but is that the main reason for the failure?

Consider this report from the National Center for Disease Prevention and Health Promotion. http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/


Very few barriers exist to discourage couples from using withdrawal as a contraceptive method. The primary barrier is probably the attitude among health professionals that withdrawal is ineffective as a contraceptive. This attitude may be transmitted to men and women in the
community. [my emphasis] In reality, withdrawal is a reasonably effective method that can be used by couples who wish to space births and do not have contraindications to pregnancy or extremely strong desires to avoid
pregnancy. . . .

Although coitus interruptus has often been criticized as ineffective, it
probably offers a level of contraceptive protection similar to that pro-
vided by vaginal barrier methods. Its effectiveness depends largely on
the male's ability to withdraw before he ejaculates. How effective the
method would be if used consistently and correctly is unknown. Our
best guess is that about 4% of perfect users would fail in the initial
year. Among typical users, about 19% would fail during the first year.

Notice it says "How effective the method would be if used consistently and correctly is unknown." My position is that control is the key. I didn't say this before (my wife just reminded me of it) but we combine withdrawal with rhythm, which would help increase the effectiveness even more.


Now let's consider your comment to me that I was talking out of my ***. If you read my statement, I said I was certain of the effectiveness of CI, which was how I purposely put it to indicate it was a personal opinion. I still am certain of it. Nothing I've read has made me change my mind that the failure rate is primarily due to lack of control. Since studies seem to be for the general population and not for the conscientous practitioner (which was the qualifier I put on it), I don't see how the "out your ***" barb was justified.

[humanino]

I'm sure I've nearly died from sex several times. Where is Humanino? I have heard that in France they colloquially call an orgasm a "little death". Is that true?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It depends on your partner really :wink:
But for sure, it is a great way of living and leaving this wold :biggrin:

[franznietzsche]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It depends on your partner really :wink:
But for sure, it is a great way of living and leaving this wold :biggrin:


You gotta die sometime, it might as well be in the sack.

[Saint]

Most people failed to enjoy sex for the First time,
because they are not familiar with the Technique to do sex.
I took me about 2 weeks to get familiar with it after wedding.

[The_Professional]

Most people failed to enjoy sex for the First time,
because they are not familiar with the Technique to do sex.


Most people are too caught up with the techniques, and not much on the intimacy, feeling and deep connection.

[Loren Booda]

They're as many techniques as there are lovers.

[Moonbear]

They're as many techniques as there are lovers.

And yet never enough! What fun it is to have a partner with whom you can explore as many of those as possible, and then make up some more of your own!

[franznietzsche]

Most people failed to enjoy sex for the First time,
because they are not familiar with the Technique to do sex.
I took me about 2 weeks to get familiar with it after wedding.


I had a great first time.

In the bed...in the shower...she was the local beauty queen...ity was fun,andi need to not post drunk


good night ya'll

[Moonbear]

I had a great first time.

In the bed...in the shower...she was the local beauty queen...ity was fun,andi need to not post drunk


good night ya'll

LOL! I always thought such things came naturally too.

[franznietzsche]

LOL! I always thought such things came naturally too.


waIT...hwich part?

the confessions,or the activities? or the postiung while far from sober? I'm so confused...

[Moonbear]

waIT...hwich part?

the confessions,or the activities? or the postiung while far from sober? I'm so confused...

You're very funny when drunk! :rofl: I meant the techniques. At least the basic technique anyway.

Why are you drunk on a Sunday night? Or should I not ask why?

[franznietzsche]

You're very funny when drunk! :rofl: I meant the techniques. At least the basic technique anyway.

Why are you drunk on a Sunday night? Or should I not ask why?

Well being drunk on a sunday is a combination of opprotunity + 3 week depression over getting turkey dropped (thanksgiving break up).


technique? i assume that means activity. I'm very confused.

[Moonbear]

Well being drunk on a sunday is a combination of opprotunity + 3 week depression over getting turkey dropped (thanksgiving break up).

Sorry to hear about the break-up. Those always suck. Well, you may have noticed, there are a few new women on the board here. Maybe it was just meant to be so that you can hook up with one them. :wink:

technique? i assume that means activity. I'm very confused.

Oh boy, I'll explain it to you when you're sober. :rofl: Don't forget to take a few aspirin before you go to sleep tonight and keep a pitcher of water on your bedside. You're going to be hurting in the morning.

[Smurf]

Gatorade works miracles against hangovers, I know I've tried it. It's cause it rehydrates you.

[Moonbear]

Gatorade works miracles against hangovers, I know I've tried it. It's cause it rehydrates you.

That, and because it's full of sugar. Anything with sugar and water will work. Any kind of juice or sport drink. Whatever you can tolerate the taste of without puking. :bugeye:

[Smurf]

Yeah, puking might even be the worst part of hangovers.\
Well, I mean either that, or not being able to get it up.

[Moonbear]

Yeah, puking might even be the worst part of hangovers.\
Well, I mean either that or not being able to get it up.

No, the worst is when your stomach is completely empty, so it's just dry heaves. :yuck:

[Smurf]

That doesn't happen to me, I just puke up bile instead :smile:

[Moonbear]

That doesn't happen to me, I just puke up bile instead :smile:
:yuck: Okay, that might be worse.

[Smurf]

Naw, not being able to get it up still sets the bar.

[franznietzsche]

Yeah, puking might even be the worst part of hangovers.\
Well, I mean either that, or not being able to get it up.


Naw, getting it up is never an issue.

Finding someone to get it up in the presence of can be though.

[Moonbear]

Naw, getting it up is never an issue.

Finding someone to get it up in the presence of can be though.

Okay, now I know it's time for me to get some sleep. I thought he was still talking about puke. :rolleyes: :rofl:

[franznietzsche]

Okay, now I know it's time for me to get some sleep. I thought he was still talking about puke. :rolleyes: :rofl:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Very nice moonbear, very nice.

[JasonRox]

I never take aspirin and never had any problems with hangovers.

I drink tons of water and I eat lots. Most say they drink water, but a litre isn't enough. When I say you need lots, I said you need lots.

[franznietzsche]

I never take aspirin and never had any problems with hangovers.

I drink tons of water and I eat lots. Most say they drink water, but a litre isn't enough. When I say you need lots, I said you need lots.


I usually drink the same volumeof water that i had of alcoholic beverages. But then i get the drunken munchies and empty the whole fridge, so i have to go grocery shopping again the next day.

[relskid]

i didn't think that a topic about sex could get any hotter. yet here i am, proven wrong, with you guys and your discussion on vomit and hangovers.

;)

[Moonbear]

i didn't think that a topic about sex could get any hotter. yet here i am, proven wrong, with you guys and your discussion on vomit and hangovers.

;)

And we learn that relskid has a sarcastic sense of humor! You'll fit in well kid! (I keep thinking of your nickname as rel's kid, even though I know you explained it's supposed to be rel skid...so the kid comment isn't related to your age, though, compared to me, it could be...LOL!). :biggrin:

[Les Sleeth]

That, and because it's full of sugar. Anything with sugar and water will work. Any kind of juice or sport drink. Whatever you can tolerate the taste of without puking. :bugeye:

I tell all my friends and relatives this secret, but no one ever listens.

Brewers Yeast!

Two tablespoons in water or juice before you get smashed (not on an empty stomach), and two after you come crawling home (but after puking). Possibly the highest source of B vitamins on the planet, it seems to correct the stress caused by alchohol allowing one to wake up bright and fresh! :smile: (I feed it to my cats too, gives them shiney coats, and they love it.)

[Moonbear]

I tell all my friends and relatives this secret, but no one ever listens.

Brewers Yeast!

Two tablespoons in water or juice before you get smashed (not on an empty stomach), and two after you come crawling home (but after puking). Possibly the highest source of B vitamins on the planet, it seems to correct the stress caused by alchohol allowing one to wake up bright and fresh! :smile: (I feed it to my cats too, gives them shiney coats, and they love it.)

It's a good nutrient source, so goes along with the idea of just boosting your nutrition. I have to go back and look...I seem to recall reading something about B vitamin deficiency inducing stress, or as a consequence of stress or something like that...read it years ago (I'm pretty sure it was a journal club article way back in grad school, which is why it's so hazy now). There might be something to your home remedy. I wonder if taking a B-complex vitamin would be just as helpful? Might be more palatable!

[Saint]

don't sidetrack from SEX

[BoulderHead]

Heavens No!

[Smurf]

Who would've guessed saint would be the one to remind us to get back on about SEX...
Or is getting off topic Immoral?

[BoulderHead]

Haha, I'm just feeling good to see him back.

[Moonbear]

don't sidetrack from SEX

That wasn't a sidetrack, getting drunk goes hand in hand with sex. Some people would never get sex if it wasn't for those beer goggles. Remember, there are no ugly people at last call! :rofl: And Smurf was talking about the opposite view of how over-consumption of alcohol can hinder sexual function. See, we've been on topic all along. :approve:

[Smurf]

Yeah! Defend my honour Moonbear!!

[Moonbear]

Yeah! Defend my honour Moonbear!!

Anything for the little blue guy! :biggrin:

[Smurf]

Finally! I have worshippers!! I've been waiting so long for this moment :cry:

[Gokul43201]

I tell all my friends and relatives this secret, but no one ever listens.

Brewers Yeast!

Two tablespoons in water or juice before you get smashed (not on an empty stomach), and two after you come crawling home (but after puking). Possibly the highest source of B vitamins on the planet, it seems to correct the stress caused by alchohol allowing one to wake up bright and fresh! :smile: (I feed it to my cats too, gives them shiney coats, and they love it.)

And I keep telling my secret to everyone I know (kinda oxymoronic, huh ?)

Owl's Eggs

Nothing better to beat a nasty hangover. But heavens...I'm sidetracking...will 20 lashes do ?

[Moonbear]

And I keep telling my secret to everyone I know (kinda oxymoronic, huh ?)

Owl's Eggs

Oh, yeah, those are easy to come by. :rolleyes: They practically give them away at the store all the time!

Nothing better to beat a nasty hangover. But heavens...I'm sidetracking...will 20 lashes do ?

I'll get the paddle.

[franznietzsche]

Oooh!!! Oooh!!!

Paddle me! Paddle me! :shy: