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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
I'm trying to simplify this polynomial
((s+1)/(2+s))/((s+1)+((s+1)/(s+2))(s+1))
It's more readable if you view it here:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28%28s%2B1%29%2F%282%2Bs%29%29%2F%28%28s%2B1%2 9%2B%28%28s%2B1%29%2F%28s%2B2%29%29%28s%2B1%29%29
It simplifies to 1/(2s+3)
3. The attempt at a solution
I'm not sure what steps are necessary to reduce it down to that.
HallsofIvy
Nov4-11, 10:23 AM
First, it's not a polynomial, it is a rational function.
Is this it?
\frac{\frac{s+1}{2+s}}{(s+1+ \frac{s+1}{s+2})(s+1)}
The first thing I would do is that addition in the denominator:
s+1+ \frac{s+1}{s+2}= \frac{(s+1)(s+2)+ s+1}{s+2}
which we can then write as
(s+1)\frac{s+2+ 1}{s+2}= (s+1)\frac{s+3}{s+2}
With that,the full denominator is
(s+1)^2(1+ \frac{s+3}{s+2}= (s+1)^2\frac{2s+ 5}{s+2}
Also,dividing by a fraction is the same as multiplying by its reciprocal so the entire expression becomes
\frac{s+1}{s+2}\frac{s+2}{(s+1)^2(2s+5)}
Can you finish that?
Ray Vickson
Nov4-11, 11:10 AM
First, it's not a polynomial, it is a rational function.
Is this it?
\frac{\frac{s+1}{2+s}}{(s+1+ \frac{s+1}{s+2})(s+1)}
The first thing I would do is that addition in the denominator:
s+1+ \frac{s+1}{s+2}= \frac{(s+1)(s+2)+ s+1}{s+2}
which we can then write as
(s+1)\frac{s+2+ 1}{s+2}= (s+1)\frac{s+3}{s+2}
With that,the full denominator is
(s+1)^2(1+ \frac{s+3}{s+2}= (s+1)^2\frac{2s+ 5}{s+2}
Also,dividing by a fraction is the same as multiplying by its reciprocal so the entire expression becomes
\frac{s+1}{s+2}\frac{s+2}{(s+1)^2(2s+5)}
Can you finish that?
No: the full denominator is just (s+1)^2 \frac{s+3}{s+2} .
RGV
According to the link the OP posted, the original "polynomial" is this:
\frac{\frac{s+1}{2+s}}{(s+1)+\frac{s+1}{s+2}(s+1)}
I would start by multiplying by
\frac{s+2}{s+2}
Also, note that the numerator can be restated as
\frac{s+1}{s+2}
so that you have
\frac{\frac{s+1}{s+2}}{(s+1)+\frac{s+1}{s+2}(s+1)}
sorry, my original equation might have been interpreted differently by wolfram. But the wolfram one is what I meant.
how did you know to multiply by (s+2)/(s+2) zgozvrm?
sorry, my original equation might have been interpreted differently by wolfram. But the wolfram one is what I meant.
how did you know to multiply by (s+1)/(s+2) zgozvrm?
Because both the overall numerator and overall denominator had a denominator of s + 2. What zgozvrm actually did was multiply by 1 (which is always legal, since it doesn't change the value of what's being multiplied), in the form of (s + 2)/(s + 2).
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