Evil Forum Grows

[Tom McCurdy]

lol
I don't like www.toequest.com/forum but I go there occationally anyway I saw this post


We already have all information required to create a TOE, yet it is the structure in which we place this information that is not correct. In this TOE unification is not possible, but links between forces are possible. In stead of a unified field of forces there would be a platform of forces.

In Search of a Cyclops delivers mathematical evidence that unification is not possible by showing that separation is fundamental in our universe. This is delivered through zero as part of the fundaments of integers (its use is required to explain certain steps of prime number structures found within the positive integers).

Unification can exist without a problem in religion (Christian, Jewish, Muslim), but it does not exist in the materialized universe.

All material in our universe is moving outwardly from the location we call the Big Bang. It is possible to infer this information back as deriving from a single spot, yet is it also possible to infer this information as deriving from a large area. Very similar to the toy one can buy in stores today - a round mobile that one can manually expand and contract. While the universe is expanding it does not necessarily mean that it came out of a single spot, it could have come out of a larger area. The absolute center of the Big Bang may have even remained empty.

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Can A Toe exist that would not unify GR and QM?

[Tom McCurdy]

Here are some of the categories of the forum



The Nature of God
Discuss the possibilities of the existance of a Creator and how the Creator may be included in a Theory of Everything.
Religious Viewpoints
Perspectives from various religions and how they might impact the Theory of Everything.

Afterlife
With numerous reports of life after death or near death experiences, how can these be explained. Whether biological or metaphysical in nature, the possibility of an afterlife must be explored and encompassed by the Theory of Everything if necessary.

General Discussion
If there is more to reality than our everyday experience--a world beyond, another dimension, heaven, astral plane--then it must be explained in a Theory of Everything.



Can anyone explain to me why a TOE would have anyting remotly to do with afterlife or incorparting any of the other stuff... or am I just being judgmental

[Tom McCurdy]

The quest to understand everything is a very old quest. In the old days the ones proposing explanations for everything were scientists/priests. Then and now the platforms of religion are diverse, but in general can be divided into four platforms:

A: a single god
B: multiple gods
C: no god
D: one cannot know about god with certainty.

Since the Renaissance scientists/priests became either more science- or more religion based, and today we see a clear distinction between the two. To explain everything in science we do not have four, but only two platforms available.

A: a unified field of forces
B: a field of forces (with connections but not unified).

As you can see there is a clear connection between the A's and the B's as the distinction between one version in which everything can be brought back to a single principle, and the other version in which multiple principles exist at the same time.

Platforms C and D do not exist in science. It would be weird to say that the four forces do not exist, and it would be weird to say that one cannot know anything about the four forces with certainty.

And this is where we are today. Most attention in the search for a theory of everything has been placed in an A-platform. There is hardly any discussion about a theory of everything existing on a B-platform. It doesn't mean everyone is behind the idea of the unified field: far from it. But somehow people are afraid to speak out against the A-platform.

What do you think? Are both A and B possible? Only A, only B? Take the poll and tell us what you think.
Poll on the site.... HOW IS RELIGON BEING DRAGGED INTO THIS

[yanniru]

"CAN A toe EXIST WITHOUT UNIFICATION OF gr AND qm"

I say yes, if you mean the UNIFICATION of gravity and the GUT force, on the following basis. From Bojowald's LQG treatment of singularities in GR, we find that it is possible that energy is bleed off into new universes before unification or planck energies are obtained. Thus there is no need to ever incorporate gravity into the GUT force and we in a sense already have a theory for everything that can exist in our universe.

Of course, LQG does combine GR and QM, and in the above sense it is a TOE, or a model of one: but complete unification of gravity with the other forces of nature may not be necessary.

Richard

[selfAdjoint]

Here are some of the categories of the forum



Can anyone explain to me why a TOE would have anyting remotly to do with afterlife or incorparting any of the other stuff... or am I just being judgmental


I can't see why this forum has anything worth our time at PF. If you just throw around words and shallow concepts culled from the web, then of course you can combine TOE with religion, or chips and salsa, or anything else. PF as a forum has set its face against that kind of "reasoning" and has taken many hits from the kind of posters who like to bull**** that way. Let them have their fun and let's stick to our guns here.

[setAI]

Can anyone explain to me why a TOE would have anyting remotly to do with afterlife or incorparting any of the other stuff... or am I just being judgmental


that's rather obvious isn't it? the biggest example is Tipler- Omega Point- etc- a true TOE would establish if our universe will crunch eventually- if it does all worldlines and all the light that has ever been emitted/reflected will eventually converge at that point- and a sufficient technology would be able to use this light to recompute/reconstrunct any past object from it's information- thus resurrecting everyone who ever lived- thus: "afterlife"

essentially- a TOE would allow one to determine which resurrective/"afterlife" technologies are actually scientifically/technically plausible and not merely fantasy