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namu
Dec21-11, 03:15 PM
Hello, I am having trouble confirming that the flux integral is equal to the divergence over a volume. I am making a silly mistake & its just one of those days that I can't eyeball it. Here is the problem.

I want to compute the flux integral for


\vec{ F}=x\hat i+y\hat j-z\hat k


out of the closed cone


x^2+y^2=z^2 \,\,\,\,\,\,\,0\leq z\leq1


Let us first do this the easy way using the divergence theorm.


\int\int \vec F \cdot d \textbf{S}=\int \int \int \nabla \cdot \vec F dV



\nabla \cdot \vec F=1



\int \int \int \nabla \cdot \vec F dV=\int_0^{2\pi} d\theta \int_0^1 r dr \int_r^1 dz=\frac{\pi}{3}


This agrees with the formula for the volume of a cone of radius one and height one. Now, let us apply the flux integral directly.

First lets look at the cone.


\int\int \vec F \cdot d \textbf{S}=\int\int \vec F \cdot d \textbf{S}_1+\int\int \vec F \cdot d \textbf{S}_2


where S1 is the cone and S2 is the lid of the cone, namely the unit disk z=1.


f=x^2+y^2-z^2=0



\nabla f=(2x,2y,-2z)



\hat n=\frac{\nabla f}{|\nabla f|}=\frac{(2x,2y,-2z)}{2 \sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}}=\frac{(2x,2y,-2z)}{2 \sqrt{2}z}



d\textbf{S}_1=\hat n \sqrt{\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}^2+\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}^2+\frac{\partial f}{\partial z}^2} dx dy=\hat n 2 \sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2} dx dy= \hat n 2 \sqrt{2}z dx dy =(2x,2y,-2z)dx dy



\int\int \vec F \cdot d \textbf{S}_1=\int\int \vec F \cdot (2x,2y,-2z)dx dy=\int\int 2x^2+2y^2+2z^2 dx dy =\int\int 4x^2+4y^2 dx dy=\int_0^{2\pi}d\theta \int_0^1 r dr 4 r^2=2\pi


Over the disk \hat n=\hat k and z=1


\int\int \vec F \cdot d \textbf{S}_2=-\int_0^{2\pi}d\theta\int_0^1 r dr =-\pi


Hence,


2\pi-\pi=\pi


So this is the wrong answer. I don't see where I went wrong. Can someone please help? Thank you.

abiyo
Dec24-11, 12:52 AM
You applied the divergence theorem correctly. The flux over the circle is also correct.
The mistake you made is when you computed the flux over S1: the cone. To define
the normal for z=f(x,y) first write it in a format as follows:
\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}-z=0 Then the normal N will be
N=<\frac{x}{z},\frac{y}{z},-1> From here you can do the work and show
that the flux you get will be \frac{4\pi}{3} This will confirm the divergence
theorem. Let me know if this makes sense or if you have any further questions.

namu
Dec24-11, 03:01 PM
You applied the divergence theorem correctly. The flux over the circle is also correct.
The mistake you made is when you computed the flux over S1: the cone. To define
the normal for z=f(x,y) first write it in a format as follows:
\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}}-z=0 Then the normal N will be
N=<\frac{x}{z},\frac{y}{z},-1> From here you can do the work and show
that the flux you get will be \frac{4\pi}{3} This will confirm the divergence
theorem. Let me know if this makes sense or if you have any further questions.

I worked it out and I got the correct answer. Thank you!