Really need help with a simple ODE

[n00by]

The equation I'm trying to solve is

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y^2 - 1}{x^2-1}, given y(2) = 2

The methods I'm somewhat familiar with are separation of variables, integrating factor, and exact. I tried this:

\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{y^2 - 1}{x^2-1}

(x^2 - 1)dy = (y^2-1)dx

(x^2 - 1)dy - (y^2-1)dx= 0

So, now it's an exact equation, right?

I tried integrating each part:

\int (x^2 - 1)dy = (x^2-1)y+c1(x)

\int (y^2 - 1)dx = (y^2-1)x+c1(y)

But now I'm confused what I'm supposed to do! If I just let the constants of integration be zero, then I have:

(x^2-1)y

(y^2-1)x

But what do I do with those?

I'm really confused :(

[sandy.bridge]

Hello,
Try this:
dy/(y^2-1)=dx/(x^2-1)
You can apply partial fractions

[n00by]

Hi, I don't see how I can apply partial fractions to \frac {dy}{y^2-1} ?

[sandy.bridge]

1/(y^2-1)=1/[(y+1)(y-1)]=A/(y+1)+B/(y-1)
You would then be required to solve for A and B.

[n00by]

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

Here's what I tried:

\frac{1}{y^2-1} = \frac{1}{(y+1)(y-1)} = \frac {A}{(y+1)} + \frac{B}{(y-1)}

1 = A(y-1) + B(y+1)

y = 1: 1 = 0 + B(2) \iff B = \frac{1}{2}

y = -1: 1 = A(-2) + 0 \iff A = -\frac{1}{2}

\therefore \frac{1}{y^2-1} = \frac {-\frac{1}{2}}{(y+1)} + \frac{\frac{1}{2}}{(y-1)} → \int (\frac {-\frac{1}{2}}{(y+1)} + \frac{\frac{1}{2}}{(y-1)})dy = \int (\frac {-\frac{1}{2}}{(x+1)} + \frac{\frac{1}{2}}{(x-1)})dx

-\frac{1}{2}ln|y+1| + \frac{1}{2}ln|y-1| = -\frac{1}{2}ln|x+1| + \frac{1}{2}ln|x-1| + C_1 , x > 1, y > 1

ln(y+1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + ln(y-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} = ln(x+1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + ln(x-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} + C_1, raise by e

(y+1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + (y-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} = (x+1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + (x-1)^{\frac{1}{2}}+ C_2, C_2 = e^{C_1}

But I don't see how I can solve for y. Any hints?

[HallsofIvy]

Are you required to solve for y?

[Jasso]

Most of the time, it is enough to give the final equation in implicit form. To find the constant, you plug in the initial conditions: ie, y(2) = 2 means that x=2 and y=2. If the initial conditions were y(5) = 3, then it would be y=3 and x=5.

A minor nitpick but there's an algebra mistake in the last part:


ln(y+1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + ln(y-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} = ln(x+1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + ln(x-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} + C_1, raise by e

(y+1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + (y-1)^{\frac{1}{2}} = (x+1)^{-\frac{1}{2}} + (x-1)^{\frac{1}{2}}+ C_2, C_2 = e^{C_1}


Hint: ln(A) + ln(B) = ln(AB)

[n00by]

Are you required to solve for y?

I'm supposed to "solve" the differential equation. Does that not require solving for y?

[bpatrick]

doesn't y = x + c satisfy this ODE?

y(2) = 2

2 = 2 + c

c = 0

so checking y = x via differentiation:

dy/dx = 1

then substitution:

dy/dx = (y^2 -1) / (x^2 - 1) = (x^2 - 1) / (x^2 - 1) = 1

sorry if I'm a little off base or this doesn't help much, I'm just used to solving PDEs and when you get them to ODEs just using some ansatz math.