Proof LaGrangian: Prove Ideal Gas Eqn w/ T, P, n, V, R

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This discussion focuses on proving the ideal gas equation, represented as PV = nRT, where T is temperature, P is pressure, n is the number of moles, V is volume, and R is the gas constant. The conversation highlights the importance of the Joule experiment and the Joule-Thompson experiment, which established that the internal pressure of an ideal gas is zero. Additionally, it introduces a thermodynamic relation that applies to all substances, aiding in the derivation of the ideal gas law. The thread also suggests consulting a suitable textbook for further understanding.

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As this thread implies i wanted to try to prove ideal gas equation pV=vnRT

where T is tempearture p is pressure n is mole V is volume and R is gas constant

and then I found that I had to prove la grangian

What I wonder about is given in thread here

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=574248

In the end of the thread it is said that someone her might be able to help me with a suitable textbook. Is that possible?
 
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Hello Georg,

As with strangerep in the other thread you started I am not sure what you are attempting, but you should look up the Joule experiment and the Joule-Thompson experiment.

They proved experimentally that the so called internal pressure of an ideal gas is zero.

This provides an alternative definition of an ideal gas as a gas with

[tex]{\left( {\frac{{\partial U}}{{\partial V}}} \right)_T} = 0[/tex]

You can use this plus Boyle's law to derive PV=NRT.

The following thermodynamic relation is also useful. this relates to all substances, not only ideal gasses.

[tex]{\left( {\frac{{\partial U}}{{\partial V}}} \right)_T} + P = T{\left( {\frac{{\partial P}}{{\partial T}}} \right)_V}[/tex]

By the way did you see my answer in your other thread about reversibility?
 

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