Solve Quadratic Equations: Formula & Factoring

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The discussion revolves around methods for solving quadratic equations, specifically focusing on the quadratic formula and factoring. Participants explore different approaches, including completing the square, and clarify terminology differences in the context of these methods.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the basics of solving quadratic equations using the quadratic formula and factoring.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology differences between "factoring" and "factorizing," with some participants noting regional language variations.
  • One participant raises a question about discrepancies in signs when using factoring versus the quadratic formula, specifically citing the equation x^2 + 5x + 4.
  • A later reply clarifies that the roots obtained from the quadratic formula correspond to the factors of the polynomial, emphasizing the importance of understanding the problem being solved.
  • Another participant introduces the method of completing the square as an additional technique for solving quadratic equations.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the phrasing of questions related to the roots and factors of quadratic equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for solving quadratic equations, as multiple approaches are discussed, and some questions remain unresolved regarding the relationship between different methods.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the questions posed by participants, leading to some confusion about the relationship between roots and factors. Additionally, the discussion includes varying interpretations of terminology and methods.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in solving quadratic equations, particularly students or individuals seeking clarification on different methods and terminology used in algebra.

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I just need to know the basics of 2 ways to excecute a quadratic equation...: Quadratic formula and factoring. Thankyou!
 
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Problem+Solve=Reason said:
I just need to know the basics of 2 ways to excecute a quadratic equation...: Quadratic formula and factoring. Thankyou!
Can you factorise? (or is this what you mean by factoring?)

E.g. Could I give you [tex]x^2+5x+6[/tex] and you would end up with [tex](x+2)(x+3)[/tex]?

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
Yep, us colonials say "factoring" rather than "factorize"!

(Of course, when I saw "2 ways to execute a quadratic equation" my first thought was "firing squad and hanging"!)
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yep, us colonials say "factoring" rather than "factorize"!
Sorry. My schools have always said it was factorising.

HallsofIvy said:
(Of course, when I saw "2 ways to execute a quadratic equation" my first thought was "firing squad and hanging"!)
LoL. I know. There is an easy way and a way that allows you to do the easy way. :-p

The Bob (2004 ©)
 
u should try factoring first, it's easier if it work, if not use the quadratic equation
 
Can anyone explain why when you factorise and use the quadratic equation the answers have different signs?
Lets say for x^2 + 5x + 4
If i do it by factoring the answer would be (x+4)(x+1)
However, if done by the quadratic equation the answer would be (x-4)(x-1) which doesn't work when u multiply them out.
The signs are reversed.
Thanks a lot! I need to explain this to my sis...Should I tell her to reverse her answers if she does it by the quadratic equation?

Yawie
 
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yawie said:
Can anyone explain why when you factorise and use the quadratic equation the answers have different signs?
Lets say for x^2 + 5x + 4
If i do it by factoring the answer would be (x+4)(x+1)
However, if done by the quadratic equation the answer would be (x-4)(x-1) which doesn't work when u multiply them out.
The signs are reversed.
Thanks a lot! I need to explain this to my sis...Should I tell her to reverse her answers if she does it by the quadratic equation?

Yawie
Do you even KNOW what you mean by "the answer"??
The correct "answer" to any question does NOT depend on which method you use to answer it!

What question are you trying to answer?

IF you are trying to answer the question, "What are the linear factors of
x2+ 5x+ 4?" then you could note that 4 can be factored as 2*2 or as 4*1. 2+ 2= 4 while 4+1= 5 so you conclude that x2+ 5x+ 4= (x+4)(x+1).
To use the "quadratic formula", you would convert to the EQUATION x2+ 5x+ 4= 0 to which the quadratic formula gives roots [itex]\frac{-5+/-\sqrt{25-4*4*1}{2*1}= \frac{-5+/- 3}{2}[/itex]= -1 and -4. Of course, you would then recall that roots a and b mean that (x-a)(x-b) are the factors of the polynomial. Since your roots are -1 and -4, your factors are x-(-1)= x+1 and x-(-4)= x+4. x2= (x+1)(x+4) just as you got by factoring.

IF the question is "What are the roots of x2+ 5x+ 4= 0?" (or, equivalently, "What are the zeroes of x2+ 5x+ 4?", then the quadratic formula gives the roots directly: x= -1 and x= -4 make that polynomial equal to 0.

By "factoring", you determine that x2+ 5x+ 4= (x+4)(x+1)= 0. Of course, the only way a product of numbers can be equal to 0 is if one or the other is 0: either x+ 4= 0 or x+ 1= 0, from that you conclude that either x= -4 or x= -1, just as with the quadratic formula.

So: exactly WHAT problem are you trying to solve?
 
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I didn't really know what the questions were...I was just trying to help my sis...
but you answered the question...when you said x+4 = 0 is when you factor and when you use the quadratic equation you get x=-4...Now I know how to explain it to her...thanks!
I didn't realize the questions were differently phrased...
THanks!
 
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what about completing the square? if you have say x^2 + 5x + 4 = 0, you could write it as x^2 + 5x = -4, then complete the square by adding the square of 5/2 to get

x^2 + 5x + 25/4 = 25/4 -4 = 9/4. then take square roots of both sides to get

(x+5/2)^2 = 3/2. so x+5/2 = 3/2 or -3/2. so x = -5/2 + 3/2 = -2/2 = -1, or x = -5/2 - 3/2 = -8/2 = -4.
 
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Problem+Solve=Reason said:
I just need to know the basics of 2 ways to excecute a quadratic equation...: Quadratic formula and factoring. Thankyou!
Parabola
General form:

[tex]f(x)=ax^2+bx+c[/tex]

Quadratic Formula for Zeros:

[tex]x_1x_2=\frac{-b\pm\sqrt{(b^2)-(4ac)}}{2a}[/tex]

For Standard form

[tex]f(x)=a(x-h)^2+k[/tex]

Formula:
[tex]x_1x_2=h\pm\sqrt{\frac{-k}{a}}[/tex]

Just plug in the parameters.
 

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