Element that is also a molecule?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of elements that can also be classified as molecules, exploring the definitions and examples of such cases. Participants examine the nature of elements and molecules, including diatomic and monoatomic forms, and the distinctions between elements, molecules, and compounds.

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  • Some participants suggest that hydrogen is an example of an element that exists as a molecule (H2), along with other diatomic elements like nitrogen, oxygen, chlorine, fluorine, bromine, and iodine.
  • Others argue that very few elements exist as single atoms, with many metals existing as collections of atoms in a crystalline structure, which complicates the definition of a molecule.
  • A participant clarifies that an element is defined as a material composed of only one kind of atom, while a molecule is a group of atoms bonded together, and that a compound contains more than one kind of atom.
  • There is a contention regarding the terminology used, with one participant stating that the term "diatomic atom" is contradictory and should be avoided.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the assumptions made by chemists regarding metallic bonding and the nature of interactions in crystalline structures.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and classifications of elements and molecules, with multiple competing views presented throughout the discussion.

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Limitations include varying definitions of what constitutes a molecule, the ambiguity surrounding the classification of metals and their atomic arrangements, and unresolved questions about the nature of bonding in crystalline structures.

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What would be an example of an element that is also a molecule?

Would hydrogen be an example of this?
 
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Very few elements actually exist as single atoms. A molecule is the smallest part of an element, or compound, that can exist independently e.g. hydrogen exists on its own as H2, oxygen as O2.
 
I would say very many elements exista as monoatomic molecules.All the metals,for example.Don't get confused by the fact that if metals have a crystaline structure,then the molecules would be composed by more than one atoms...

Daniel.
 
An Element Is A Single Atom. While A Molecule Is A Group Of Atoms That Are Bond Together To Form Another Compounds... Some Elements Exist As A Diatomic Atom. Example Of These Are Hydrogen And The Halogens Family( Chlorine. Fluorine Etc.) In Case Of Hydrogen. Hydrogen Is A Diatomic Atom. If The Hydrogen Bonded To Other Elements This Is An Example Of Molecule...
In Short Element Is A Single Atom While Molecule Composed Of 2 Or More Atoms That Are Bonded Together.
 
Just so this does not cause any confusion, I'm going to make corrections to oxygen's post.
oxygen said:
An Element Is A Single Atom.
No, an element is any material that is composed of only a single kind of atom (ie: all its atoms are identical)

While A Molecule Is A Group Of Atoms That Are Bond Together To Form Another Compounds...
A molecule is a group of atoms that are bonded together, but they do not form a compound. A compound is is something whose molecules contain more than one kind of atom.

Some Elements Exist As A Diatomic Atom.
Some elements are a collection of diatomic molecules. You can not have a diatomic atom - that's self-contradictory.

Example Of These Are Hydrogen And The Halogens Family( Chlorine. Fluorine Etc.) In Case Of Hydrogen. Hydrogen Is A Diatomic Atom. If The Hydrogen Bonded To Other Elements This Is An Example Of Molecule...
Hydrogen is made up of diatomic molecules. If hydrogen bonds with atoms of another element you get a compound.

In Short Element Is A Single Atom While Molecule Composed Of 2 Or More Atoms That Are Bonded Together.

You can not compare an element and a molecule. You can compare an element and a compound. An element is made of only a single kind of atom - whether as a crystal (Fe), or isolated atoms (He) or as molecules (H2), does not matter. A compound is made up of molecules (or crystals) with more than one kind of atom (NH3, H2O, NaCl)
 
To answer the original question :

It would make more sense to ask, "for an example of an element that exists as molecules" or "that is composed of molecules".

Yes, hydrogen, is such an element. Nitrogen, oxygen, chlorine, fluorine, bromine and iodine are the only others at STP.
 
chemister said:
What would be an example of an element that is also a molecule?
If I'm not mistaken, only noble gases can be 1-atom molecules.
 
What happened to the metals/semimetals??Got banned from existence in the periodic table?? :wink:

Daniel.
 
Metals are hundreds/thousands of atoms bound together in a lattice.
 
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ShawnD said:
Metals are hundreds/thousands of atoms bound together in a lattice.

And that's just because chemists wrongy assume interactions between metals in a crystaline structure as chemical bonds,right??I bet they have no idea about solid state PHYSICS... :rolleyes:

Daniel.
 
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dextercioby said:
And that's just because chemists wrongy assume interactions between metals in a crystaline structure as chemical bonds,right??
Compare non-metal crystals with metal crystals. Here is what http://www.avogadro.co.uk/structure/chemstruc/molecular/i2.gif looks like as a crystal. The iodine hangs out in packs of 2 wheras each sodium binds to 8 of its closest neighbors. The only reason you can't call it Na9 is because you can't distinguish the atoms as groups of 9. Every atom is bound to 8 other atoms.

If 10 people are holding hands in a cirle, I can't say that each person is not holding hands. Even though each person is holding the hand of 2 others, I can't say the people are in groups of 3 either.
 
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