Breaking the Speed Limit of Light

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether photons can exceed the speed of light at the event horizon of a black hole, exploring implications for their path through time and the nature of time itself. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and speculative ideas related to black holes and electromagnetic radiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that photons at the event horizon of a black hole can exceed the speed of light due to the Planck constant, raising questions about their path through time.
  • Others argue that light remains a constant and that the concept of a "path through time" for photons is questionable, suggesting that time is a perception influenced by gravity.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the initial claim regarding photons and the speed of light at the event horizon.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the idea that photons can exceed the speed of light, finding the notion that gravity affects entities that do not experience time to be mysterious.
  • Another participant suggests that it is not photons but rather electromagnetic radiation that may be theorized to escape a black hole's event horizon at speeds faster than light, mentioning gas jets and the speculative nature of this idea.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, with multiple competing views on the behavior of photons and electromagnetic radiation in relation to the speed of light and the effects of gravity at black holes.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes speculative claims and lacks consensus on definitions and the implications of gravity on time perception. There are unresolved questions regarding the role of Planck's constant in these phenomena.

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If I understand it, photons on the event horizon of a black hole can go over the speed of light by the plank constant.

If they do this, what happens to their path through time?
 
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I don’t think they go faster then light... as far as I know light is still a constant

Also there path threw time? 1st off when u go the speed of light you are be 2D

2nd when it comes to time... its all perception... time is not a constant and at a black hole there is going to be a lot of random gravity changing the perception of time
 
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prj45 said:
If I understand it, photons on the event horizon of a black hole can go over the speed of light by the plank constant.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?
 
Why do you even consider that photons have a "path through time" ? Its an interesting question - well IMO :) The proven idea that gravity affects that which does not experience time, in time, seems profoundly mysterious to me!

But this idea that "photons on the event horizon of a black hole can go over the speed of light by the plank constant" does not make sense to me whatsoever.

Simon
 
it isn't photons that are accelerated faster than c when escaping the event horizon surface of a black hole.

it's only theoretically even electromagnetic radiation, per se.

The gas jets of black holes emit "some" form of radiative energy "faster than c." I hadn't heard that Planck's constant was involved with this, though, personally, I wouldn't be surprised.

Right now astrophysicists are speculating that this energy IS electromagentic because it seems to be traveling through a gas jet very dense with iron and other heavy elements.

All of this is only speculation at this point though, and probably not much worth discussing here at this time.

-ben
 

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