Can Geometry Explain Electricity and Magnetism Like Gravity?

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The discussion centers around the exploration of whether electricity and magnetism can be explained through geometrical techniques akin to those used in general relativity for gravity. Participants seek references and insights into this conceptual relationship, touching on theoretical frameworks and historical perspectives.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about references to geometrical approaches for explaining electricity and magnetism, similar to general relativity's treatment of gravity.
  • One participant mentions a specific reference related to a geometrical technique developed shortly after Einstein's general relativity, which has been integrated into string theory.
  • Another participant notes that Einstein believed general relativity does not utilize geometry for gravity in the same way that electromagnetism does not use geometry for its own description.
  • A participant suggests reviewing Pais' biography of Einstein for insights into Einstein's views on Weyl's unified theory and the historical context of attempts to geometrize electromagnetism.
  • Discussion includes references to Einstein-Maxwell theory, which attempts to simultaneously solve Einstein and Maxwell's equations, indicating a historical perspective on the quest for a unified geometrical description of electromagnetic fields.

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Participants express a shared interest in the topic, but there is no consensus on the existence or validity of geometrical explanations for electricity and magnetism. Multiple competing views and historical interpretations are presented without resolution.

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Participants reference various historical theories and figures, indicating limitations in the current understanding and unresolved questions regarding the relationship between geometry and electromagnetism.

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Does anyone know of references to attempts at explaining electricity and magnetism via a geometrical technique similar to how general relativity explains gravity?

thanks.
 
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Moving this to Special & General Relativity; where it will likely get more attention.
 
metrictensor said:
Does anyone know of references to attempts at explaining electricity and magnetism via a geometrical technique similar to how general relativity explains gravity?

thanks.
I'm not sure about a good reference, but just look for info on the http://www-th.phys.rug.nl/~schaar/htmlreport/node12.html , which was thought up shortly after Einstein published the theory of general relativity and which has since been incorporated into string theory.
 
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metrictensor said:
Does anyone know of references to attempts at explaining electricity and magnetism via a geometrical technique similar to how general relativity explains gravity?

thanks.
Einstein was under the impression that GR no more uses geometry to describe gravity than EM uses geometry for EM.

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metrictensor said:
Does anyone know of references to attempts at explaining electricity and magnetism via a geometrical technique similar to how general relativity explains gravity?

thanks.

Check out Pais' biography of Einstein "Subtle is the Lord". I also noticed, but can't put my hands on a good review article posted at arXiv.

I don't remember if Pais confirms this, but when Einstein first saw Weyl's unified theory (see Weyl's "Space Time Matter"), he was quite puzzled by it as he thought the problem had been solved with Einstein Maxwell theory (see Einstein's 1916 paper in "Principle of Relativity"). In Einstein-Maxwell theory you insert a stress-energy tensor for the currents and a Maxwell stress-energy tensor for the electromagnetic field and solve Einstein and Maxwell equations simultaneously for the metric and the electromagnetic field. From the letters between Hilbert And Einstein that Pais quotes, it is clear that they thought they would be able to describe the hydrogen atom with this theory. Possibly that failure or the notion that electromagnetism should have grander origins then drove the later quest for a "geometrization" of the electromagnetic field with an asymmetric metric.
 

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