Infinite Series from Perturbation Theory

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The discussion revolves around a perturbation theory problem involving an infinite square well with a delta function potential. The original poster seeks assistance in finding the second-order energy correction to Energy En, specifically focusing on an infinite series involving sine functions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the infinite series and clarify the notation used. There are attempts to compute the series and questions about the implications of summing over different indices. Some participants explore the properties of sine functions and their products.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the series. There is no explicit consensus on the solution, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored, including references to textbooks for potential guidance.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the sum should not include the variable n as an index, as the problem specifically seeks the correction to the nth energy level. There is also mention of the complexity involved in solving the series explicitly, as indicated by the professor.

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Hey there, I'm working on a perturbation theory problem, and I have no clue where to start in solving an infinite series.

It's an infinite square well with a delta function potential in the centre and I'm trying to find the 2nd order energy correction to Energy En. Anyway, what I've got is

SIGMA [sin(m*Pi/2)sin(n*Pi/2)]^2/(n^2-m^2)

where that sum is over m, from 1 to Infinity but not equalling n (the denominator would be 0 then). It can be solved explicitly, but again, I have no clue where to start. Thanks for any pointers!
 
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Did u mean:

[tex]\sum_{m=1,m \neq n}^{+\infty} \frac{\sin\frac{m\pi}{2}\sin\frac{n\pi}{2}}{n^{2}-m^{2}}[/tex]
??

Daniel.
 
Yeah that's exactly it! Sorry for not posting it in such a clear form... Is there a built-in equation editor in the posting process??
 
Can u compute this sum?

[tex]\sum_{n=a}^{+\infty} \frac{\sin n}{n}[/tex]

Daniel.

PS.If u know Tex,then u can type your formulas and a built-in compiler will show them...
 
I thought about it and scanned some textbooks, and no I don't know how to solve that... I'm sure I could figure it out relatively easily, so how could that help with the initially stated question?
 
Now I'm probably say something stupid, so dextercioby, feel free to slap me...If it's the TEX-sum in your post, that ALime is talking about then it's fairly easy: those sinusoids are always equal to one, so the term to be summed is just [tex]\frac{1}{n^2-m^2}[/tex]. It's hellish arithmetic, and I can't really reproduce it now, but the sum over such a term equals [tex]\frac{1}{n^2}[/tex], if I'm not mistaking. If you have Griffiths, check problem 6.4.
 
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wizzart said:
Now I'm probably say something stupid, so dextercioby, feel free to slap me...

:-p :smile: Nice wording... :-p

wizzart said:
If it's the TEX-sum in your post, that ALime is talking about then it's fairly easy: those sinusoids are always equal to one,

Not really.Those synusoides are either plus or minus (remember that "n" is natural,arbitrary and fixed,the summing is after "m"),so
[tex]\sin\frac{n\pi}{2}=\pm 1[/tex]

On the other side,"m" takes all natural values for which [itex]m\neq n[/itex],which means that this "sine" can also be "+1" or "-1".
[tex]\sin\frac{m\pi}{2}=\pm 1[/tex]

Now consider their product.Are u sure that for every "m" and "n" possible,their product is "+1"??





vincentchan said:
so the term to be summed is just [tex]\frac{1}{n^2-m^2}[/tex]. It's hellish arithmetic, and I can't really reproduce it now, but the sum over such a term equals [tex]\frac{1}{n^2}[/tex], if I'm not mistaking. If you have Griffiths, check problem 6.4.

I'm not at the library,but i'll check it.
Is it in:
David J.Griffiths:"Introduction to Quantum Mechanics" ??

Daniel.
 
I checked the griffith book already.. the sum should look like this
[tex]\sum_{m=1,n=1m \neq n}^{m=+\infty,n=+\infty} \frac{\sin\frac{m\pi}{2}\sin\frac{n\pi}{2}}{n^{2}-m^{2}}[/tex]
the answer is trivial and the reason is obvious
 
That changes things.I didn't know the sum would go over "n" as well... :mad:

Using that
[tex]\sin u \sin v =\frac{1}{2}[\cos(u-v)-\cos(u+v)][/tex]

Then
[tex]\sin\frac{n\pi}{2}\cos\frac{m\pi}{2}=\frac{1}{2}\{\cos[\frac{\pi}{2}(n-m)]-\cos[\frac{\pi}{2}(n+m)]\}[/tex]

which is identically zero for "obvious reasons"...

Daniel.

P.S.Ty Vincentchan,u spared me a visit to the library. :smile:
 
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:cry: stupid me...ow well, still, if there weren't sinusoids, my post would be true ;), except when n is also a changing variable...Don't think it should be, but if you say so.
 
  • #11
Hey guys, the sum should NOT be over n. The problem I'm doing actually is Griffith's 6.4, and I'm looking for the correction to the nth energy level, so the n stays in as the index variable. Also, the sinusoids are multiplied, then squared on top, so they will only ever be 0 or 1. So I guess I could still use some help. The prof said that it's rather involved to do explicitly.
 
  • #12
Okay,then,lemme give you an idea.Please make up your mind about this problem,will u??

State it in the original context.

Daniel.
 
  • #13
so, now you are doing
[tex]\sum_{m=1,m \neq n}^{+\infty} \frac{ (\sin\frac{m\pi}{2}\sin\frac{n\pi}{2})^2}{n^{2}-m^{2}}[/tex]
right?
 
  • #14
Ok...

[tex]E^2_{n}=CONSTANT\sum_{m=1,m\neq n}\frac{(\sin(\frac{m\pi}{2})\sin(\frac{n\pi}{2}))^2}{n^2-m^2}[/tex]

This is it. And it's the right side of that equation that I can't solve. Hey VincentChan, why did you think it was summed over n as well?
 
  • #15
Sorry VC, didn't mean for that to sound rude.. just wondering if I might be doing it wrong.
 
  • #16
Well,even in this case,why would anything be different??My decomposition into difference of cosines would not be affected whatsover,"n" and "m" are still natural numbers and the cosines would still be zero.Zero squared is still zero...Sum of zeros is still zero.

Daniel.
 
  • #17
They are sines, not cosines. [tex](sin(\frac{m\pi}{2}))^2=1[/tex] for odd m.
 
  • #18
Oh I what you're talking about with the cosines. Anyway the answer is not zero.

The answer is (as can be seen in Griffiths) proportional to [tex]\frac{1}{n^2}[\tex][/tex]
 
  • #19
Proportional to [tex]\frac{1}{n^2}[/tex] I meant... wrong slash
 

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