What is the true nature of Spacetime?

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The discussion centers around the nature of spacetime, particularly whether it should be viewed as a single entity or as a combination of separate spatial and temporal dimensions. Participants explore theoretical perspectives, mathematical representations, and conceptual visualizations related to spacetime in the context of special relativity.

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  • One participant questions whether spacetime is a single entity or if it consists of three spatial dimensions and one time dimension, suggesting a need for clarity in visualization.
  • Another participant asserts that spacetime is a four-dimensional manifold, emphasizing that space and time dimensions are physically different, as indicated by the metric's structure in special relativity.
  • A different viewpoint describes spacetime as a geometric concept, noting that physical quantities are represented in this space and that time has a unique role as a "0-th dimension." This participant discusses the construction of 4-vectors from classical dynamics.
  • One participant highlights the significance of the negative sign in the time component of the metric, suggesting that it implies a deeper mathematical relationship between time and space dimensions, akin to the relationship between imaginary and real numbers.
  • Another participant shares a personal visualization of the time dimension as a displacement of the origin in a three-dimensional coordinate system.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of spacetime, with some emphasizing the differences between spatial and temporal dimensions while others explore the idea of spacetime as a unified entity. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives present.

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Some claims rely on specific mathematical interpretations and definitions that may not be universally accepted, and the discussion reflects various levels of understanding of special relativity and its implications for spacetime.

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Hello everybody,

First of all, I want to state that I am an undergrad physics major who has yet to take a course in Special Relativity. What I have read in books state that Spacetime is one entity, my question is this: If Spacetime is one entity, is it correct to think that there are 3 separate spatial dimensions and one of time? Or are they really just meshed together and there is only one "true" dimension? And that it just helps us visualize spacetime by separating the qualities of it? Thanks for your time.
 
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Spacetime is a four-dimensional manifold, but the space and time dimensions are most certainly different. The metric, in fact, demonstrates this difference. In special relativity, for example, the metric is

[tex]g = \eta = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & -1 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & -1 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 0 & -1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/tex]

Note that the sign of the time component of the metric is different than the sign of the space components.

Though all four dimensions can be treated together as one mathematical entity, space and time are still quite different physically.

- Warren
 
Nope,space-time can be thought of a weird (actually curved,but in SR not) form of R^{4}.This should be giving you an idea about space-time in SR seen mathematically,like a geometric concept.

However,the fact that physical quantities are described in this space affects them by the fact that the "0-th dimension" is time-like...This 4D-space is constructed by the requirement that space and time have the same role...It doesn't have "natural" geometrical objects (like vectors) with it.These vectors (called 4-vectors) are built/"assembeld" from ordinary vectors (and scalars) which were found in the Euclidean space of classical dynamics.That's how and where the relativistic theories derive their concepts.Simply taking scalars and vectors from the classical dynamics and "assembling" them into objects (vectors,tensors) in this space...The easiest one was with the coordinates:they took the time (scalar) and three space coordinates (components of a vector,coordinate vector) and built a 4-vector,the coordinate 4-vector,whose components are simply time and 3 space-coordinates...

Once u'll do relativistic electrodynamics,u'll understand more about this 4D space and about the objects defined on it...

Daniel.
Daniel.
 
chroot's point about the time dimension being treated differently in the metric, because its component in the metric is negative with respect to the others, has a deeper and interesting significance. The metric actually deals with the squares of displacements in the dimensions:

d[tex]\tau[/tex]2 = dt2 - [dx2 + dy2 + dz2]/c2

To get to the actual displacements themselves you have to take the square root, hence in relativity theory although time is a dimension as the other space dimensions, it is not exactly the same, it is different in that it bears the same mathematical relationship to them as the imaginary numbers to the real.

That time is not exactly the same as the other dimensions is, to me at least, intuitively obvious.

Garth
 
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It was always easier for me to visualize the time dimension as a displacement of the origin of a 3 dimensional coordinate system.
 

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