Mass and Energy: Photons, Energy, and Light Speed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between mass and energy, specifically focusing on photons, their energy, and the implications of their speed. Participants explore the nature of photons, the concept of rest mass versus relativistic mass, and the conditions under which energy and mass can travel at the speed of light.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that photons possess energy, while also noting that they do not have rest mass, which allows them to travel at the speed of light.
  • There is a suggestion that the energy of a photon travels at the speed of light, leading to questions about the interchangeability of energy and mass.
  • One participant questions the validity of the statement that energy can travel at the speed of light, seeking clarification on the relationship between energy and mass.
  • Another participant emphasizes that matter with nonzero rest mass cannot travel at the speed of light, linking this to the properties of photons.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that light can be thought of as carrying mass, depending on the context of energy and momentum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that photons have energy and that they travel at the speed of light due to having zero rest mass. However, there remains uncertainty and debate regarding the implications of this relationship for mass and energy interchangeability, particularly concerning why matter cannot travel at light speed.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions of mass and energy, as well as the implications of relativistic mass versus rest mass. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the broader implications of these concepts.

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Ok I have some general questions about mass and energy. I was wondering if photons have any energy themselves? And if they do, why is it that energy can travel at the speed of light but mass can not (ie, if they are interchangeable why can't mass travel at light speed). Thanks for your time.
 
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Photons can have virtually any energy...But photons do not have rest mass,that's why they always travel at "c" in vacuum.The relativistic mass of the photon (given by Einstein's equation) has nothing to do with its rest mass and hence with its speed...

What do you mean,"energy can travel of the spped of light"...??PHOTON'S ENERGY TRAVELS AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.It's also valid for any other massless particles...

Daniel.
 
What I mean is that if photon has energy and it is traveling at c then it's energy is also traveling at c...i don't even know if this is a valid statement...
 
Yes,in the case of the photon,its energy travels at "c",simply because the photon IS ENERGY.Quantum of energy for the electromagnetic field...

Daniel.
 
So then if the photon is just energy traveling at c, and since energy and matter are interchangeable, then why is it that matter can't travel at c? That was my original question.

If I understand what you said previously, it is because the photon has zero rest mass?
 
pnazari said:
So then if the photon is just energy traveling at c, and since energy and matter are interchangeablethen why is it that matter can't travel at c?



Matter which has nonzero rest mass cannot travel at "c".Period.

pnazari said:
If I understand what you said previously, it is because the photon has zero rest mass?

Yes.

Daniel.
 
pnazari said:
Ok I have some general questions about mass and energy. I was wondering if photons have any energy themselves? And if they do, why is it that energy can travel at the speed of light but mass can not (ie, if they are interchangeable why can't mass travel at light speed). Thanks for your time.
Yes. Photons have energy E = hf. A photon has zero proper mass m0 (aka "rest mass") but a non-zero inertial mass m = p/v = p/c = E/c2. If you'd like to then you can think of light as carrying mass with it.

Pete
 

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