How Do You Calculate the Potential of a Simple Quadrupole Using Point Dipoles?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential of a simple quadrupole formed by two oppositely oriented point dipoles along the z-axis, separated by a distance a. The original poster seeks clarification on the use of tensors and the appropriate method to derive the quadrupole potential from the dipole potential formula.

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  • Participants discuss the potential calculation using the dipole formula and the implications of quadrupole expansion, with some suggesting the use of Taylor series and Legendre polynomials for the multipole expansion.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants offering insights into the calculation process and the mathematical concepts involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of dipole potential and the potential simplifications that can be made, but no consensus has been reached on the exact method to apply.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding the use of tensors and the specific terms produced in the multipole expansion, as well as the need to clarify the relationship between monopole, dipole, and quadrupole terms in this context.

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I need help on how to do this problem: Carry out the calculation on the simplest quadrupole: Two point dipoles are oppositely oriented along the z-axis, separated by distance a. The potential due to one dipole is V = (p cos(theta) / (4pi epsilon r^2). The result I should get for the quadrupole is: V = a p (3 cos^2(theta) - 1) / (4 pi epsilon r^3).

I may need to use tensors in here, but I don't know how to use them. Thanks.
 
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yes and no, quadrupole expansion requires a little bit tensors, but in your problem, you don't

add up the potential of two dipole, and ignore the r^4 terms, you will get the answer, the calculation is straight forward. nothing tricky, you could able to handle them

PS.. always draw the graph first... the graph helps a lot
 
Do you know the procedure used to derive the potential of a dipole? Use the exact same procedure here... except that instead of using V=q/(4*pi*epsilon*r^2) (potential of a point charge), you'll instead use the V formula for a dipole.

It involves Taylor series...
 
My book uses Legendre polynomials to do the expansion for the potential of N point charges, and it produces a monopole term, dipole term, and quadrupole term... But I'm still not very clear what's going on. Are you saying if I do this multipole expansion using the V for the dipole, the resulting quadrupole term will be the answer? Thanks.
 
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My book uses Legendre polynomials to do the expansion for the potential of N point charges, and it produces a monopole term, dipole term, and quadrupole term... But I'm still not very clear what's going on. Are you saying if I do this multipole expansion using the V for the dipole, the resulting quadrupole term will be the answer? Thanks.

No, I believe if you do the expansion with V for the dipole, then the dipole term will be your answer. The monopole term should come out to zero. I'm not familiar with Legendre polynomials... but I'm guessing it's like Taylor series... Not that the two dipoles have opposite p. p1=-p2.
 
I just realized since for this particular case there is a r^2 in the denominator as opposed to r in the general case, the expansion won't produce Legendre polynomials. I have to figure out how to do this expansion from scratch -- I will try Taylor series to see if it works.
 

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