What Experiments Provide Evidence for General Relativity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around identifying experiments that provide evidence for the general theory of relativity (GR). Participants explore both historical and contemporary experiments, seeking a broad range of examples that may support or challenge the theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention classic observational tests such as gravitational redshift (Pound & Rebka experiment), the precession of Mercury's perihelion, and the deflection of starlight during a solar eclipse.
  • Recent tests discussed include the time delay of radio signals from Mercury and the loss of orbital energy from gravitational wave radiation observed in binary pulsars.
  • The Gravity Probe B (GPB) experiment is highlighted for measuring frame dragging and geodetic precession, though some caution that interpretations of results from pulsar observations may depend on theoretical assumptions.
  • One participant references an experiment involving atomic clocks at different altitudes, noting time dilation, but another clarifies this relates to special relativity rather than general relativity.
  • Clifford M. Will's works are suggested as resources for understanding experimental tests of GR, including his books and essays on the GPS system, which illustrate practical applications of GR.
  • Links to additional resources and personal writings on the topic are shared by participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of various experiments related to GR, but there is no consensus on a definitive list of experiments or their interpretations. Some discussions reveal competing views on the relevance of certain experiments to GR versus special relativity.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the interpretation of experimental results are noted to be theory-dependent, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the clarity of certain observations.

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I know there have been some frame dragging effect experiments, with the GPB being performed at the moment. Which other experiments are planned/ or have been performed that may show strong evidence for the theory of GR?

any experiments at all will be appreciated...whether they show evidence for or against the theory. Any ideas are welcome and I hope to get as broad a start as possible, that's why I have posted...so I can be more confident that I haven't overlooked anything significant

I am a 4th year undergrad and need to produce an essay on 'experimental evidence for the general theory of relativity' --some keywords to use a starting point will be greatly recieved

many thanks
 
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Hi jmike!

The classic observational tests -
Gravitational red shift - the Pound & Rebka experiment,
the precession of the perihelion of Mercury,
the deflection of star light near the Sun during a total eclipse

The more recent tests -
the time delay of radio/radar signals from Mecury/ spacecraft at superior conjunction.
the loss of orbital energy by gravitational wave radiation from the binary pulsar.

The GPB experiment measuring not only 'frame dragging or the gravitomagnetic precession in a E-W direction caused by the spinning Earth dragging space-time with it, but also the geodetic precession in a N-S direction (GPB is in a polar orbit) caused by the gyros 'tilting down' the slope of the Earth's curvature.
Observations of pulsars in strong magnetic fields are claimed to have already verified these last two but those observations are not clean in that their interpretation is theory dependent and assumptions have had to be made.

Garth
 
djmike said:
I am a 4th year undergrad and need to produce an essay on 'experimental evidence for the general theory of relativity' --some keywords to use a starting point will be greatly recieved

Clifford M. Will of Washington University has written extensively about experimental tests of general relativity, including a popular-level book "Was Einstein Right?" and a monograph "Theory and Experiment in Gravitational Physics" (Cambridge U. Press). Check your library.

These books are now over ten years old, and there's been a lot of progress since then, but they should get you started.
 
Here is a pretty good source for starters:
http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html
 
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djmike said:
I know there have been some frame dragging effect experiments, with the GPB being performed at the moment. Which other experiments are planned/ or have been performed that may show strong evidence for the theory of GR?

any experiments at all will be appreciated...whether they show evidence for or against the theory. Any ideas are welcome and I hope to get as broad a start as possible, that's why I have posted...so I can be more confident that I haven't overlooked anything significant

I am a 4th year undergrad and need to produce an essay on 'experimental evidence for the general theory of relativity' --some keywords to use a starting point will be greatly recieved

many thanks

In some major university (I forgot, maybe stanford or Harvard), an experiment was performed. An atomic clock was put at very high altatutes, and another was kept on the ground. And a Dilation in time was observed. I don't know if this was the answer you were looking for or not.

:zzz:
 
jtbell said:
Clifford M. Will of Washington University has written extensively about experimental tests of general relativity, including a popular-level book "Was Einstein Right?" and a monograph "Theory and Experiment in Gravitational Physics" (Cambridge U. Press). Check your library.

These books are now over ten years old, and there's been a lot of progress since then, but they should get you started.

He has an essay on the GPS system in the Physics Central website. One can access it at

http://www.physicscentral.com/writers/writers-00-2.html

It's one of the clearest indication that GR has some degree of validity, or else our lives (especially those who fly commercial aviation) will be in jeopardy.

Zz.
 
https://www.physicsforums.com/journal.php?s=&journalid=13790&action=view

I also wrote a text on this with some links, in my journal.

Just goto the "Einstein in everyday life" entry

regards
marlon
 
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jeez, many thanks guys... only checked back a day or 2 after posting and now this...:) excellent stuff. thanks very much
 
eNathan said:
In some major university (I forgot, maybe stanford or Harvard), an experiment was performed. An atomic clock was put at very high altatutes, and another was kept on the ground. And a Dilation in time was observed. I don't know if this was the answer you were looking for or not.

:zzz:

This is experimental proof of the theory of special relativity, not general relativity.

Also look for stuff on gravitational arcs due to lensing etc.
 

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