Is this integral solvable using integration by parts?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating integrals involving Gaussian functions, specifically in the context of quantum mechanics. Participants are examining the integrals of the form A∫_{−∞}^{∞} x e^{−λ(x−a)²}dx and A∫_{−∞}^{∞} x² e^{−λ(x−a)²}dx, exploring methods such as integration by parts and substitutions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of integration by parts and substitutions to simplify the integrals. Questions arise regarding the evaluation of limits and the nature of the integrands, particularly concerning odd functions and their properties over symmetric intervals.

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Some participants have offered hints and suggestions for substitutions, while others have expressed confusion about their approaches. There is acknowledgment of the challenges in evaluating the integrals, and some participants have shared their progress and setbacks without reaching a final consensus.

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There is mention of specific constants (λ and a) being positive real numbers, which influences the symmetry of the functions involved. The discussion also touches on the implications of integrating odd functions over symmetric intervals.

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This should be a fairly simple integral but I can't get it for some reason. Here's the problem:
[tex]A\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x e^{-\lambda(x-a)^2}dx[/tex]
Now I know that
[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-x^2}dx=\sqrt{\pi}[/tex]
only for those limits.
Okay so I do parts,
[tex]u=x[/tex]
[tex]du=dx[/tex]
[tex]dv=e^{-\lambda(x-a)^2}dx[/tex]
[tex]v=?[/tex]
When you evaluate the integral from dv to get v, you substitue say
[tex]s=\sqrt{\lambda}(x-a)[/tex]
to make it like the second integral i put down, but you can't evaluate it between the limits of -infinity to infinity when doing parts right? And the indefinite integral of this form is not solvable as far as I know.

BTW, This is for my QM class, finding the average/expectation value of x,
[tex]<x>[/tex]

Am I even going about this the right way? I don't know anymore. Please tell me where I screwed up and point me in the right direction. :cry:
 
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Here's a hint :

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}e^{-x^2} = -2xe^{-x^2}[/tex]

Use a substitution to get the integrand to a form like the above. You'll still have a term that needs the error function, but you already know how to handle that.
 
Awesome, I got it!
Much thanks Curious :D
 
No problem, glad to help. :smile:
 
doh!

I'm stuck again

Okay, so I found <x> and now I have to find <x^2>, which gives,
[tex]A\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} x^2 e^{-\lambda(x-a)^2}dx[/tex]
I made the same substitution that I made last time, namely,
[tex]u=\sqrt{\lambda}(x-a)[/tex]
which gives me a error function term that just equals [tex]\sqrt{\pi}[/tex], a term that goes to zero and another term that is,
[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}u^2e^{-u^2}du[/tex]
and I'm having trouble solving this now.

Is there another substitution that I should have made initially? I couldn't find one. I swear this is the last time I'll need help :biggrin:. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
HerrSchlauberger said:
[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}u^2e^{-u^2}du[/tex]
and I'm having trouble solving this now.

Is there another substitution that I should have made initially? I couldn't find one. I swear this is the last time I'll need help :biggrin:. Any help is greatly appreciated.

You can solve the above integral using integration by parts.
 
for an equation of form:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}x^2e^{-x^2}dx[/tex]

do integration by parts with

[tex]u=x[/tex]
[tex]dv=xe^{-x^2}dx[/tex]
 
Geez how could I not see that? Thanks for spending your 300th post helping me out learningphysics! And thanks to you too FulhamFan3.
 
I hope your first integral was zero... :rolleyes: As u had to integrate the odd function on a symmetric interval wrt to the origin...

Daniel.


P.S.The Cauchy principal value...
 
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dextercioby said:
I hope your first integral was zero... :rolleyes: As u had to integrate the odd function on a symmetric interval wrt to the origin...

I forget to mention that lambda and a are positive real constants (and A = sqrt(lambda/pi)), so the function is symmetric about x=a not the origin, and the first integral turns out to be just <x> = a, and the second one <x^2> = a^2 + 1/(2*lambda) (for anyone who's interested).
 
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Yes,you're right,it's not symmetric wrt 0...I should have looked better...

Good thing you finally pulled them through.

Daniel.
 

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