How Do Different Sounds and Heat Relate to Object Interaction and Air Movement?

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The discussion explores the relationship between sound, heat, and the interaction of objects, particularly focusing on how sound is produced when objects collide and the role of air movement and atomic vibrations in these phenomena. It includes questions about the nature of sound waves and heat generation, as well as the effects of wind on sound perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that while objects may not physically touch due to electron repulsion, they are effectively "touching" for practical purposes, allowing forces to be transferred between them.
  • There is a discussion about sound waves being longitudinal waves that propagate through air, contrasting with the chaotic movement of air during windy conditions.
  • One participant suggests that wind does not significantly alter sound because sound travels much faster than wind, making it less likely for wind to affect sound propagation.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that heat is related to atomic vibrations rather than just atomic movement, questioning why windy days are not hotter.
  • A participant with experience as a live sound engineer notes that wind can significantly affect sound quality in outdoor settings, particularly at higher frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of sound propagation and the effects of wind on sound and heat. There is no consensus on the specific mechanisms at play or the extent of wind's influence on sound perception.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the nature of sound waves and the effects of wind may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully articulated in the discussion.

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how come different sounds are made when you hit different objects together, when in reality, the two objects aren't even touching (due to the repulsion of the electrons that make up the objects). and what is a sound wave? it can't just be the movement of air because then we would here different sounds all the time when it was windy, right?

also, is heat created due to the movement of atoms, or the vibrations of atoms? if its just movement, wouldn't windy days be hotter than they are?

these are probably really stupid questions, but i was just curious.
 
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Gecko said:
how come different sounds are made when you hit different objects together, when in reality, the two objects aren't even touching (due to the repulsion of the electrons that make up the objects). and what is a sound wave? it can't just be the movement of air because then we would here different sounds all the time when it was windy, right?

also, is heat created due to the movement of atoms, or the vibrations of atoms? if its just movement, wouldn't windy days be hotter than they are?

these are probably really stupid questions, but i was just curious.

Well the fields 'touch', this is enough to let the objects and by this the air vibrate.

Both sound and heat are the vibration of atoms. Sound propagtes by means of a longitudinal (in air) wave. This means the air contracts yielding a locally larger pressure, than expands, in a forward propagating manner. So the wind you mention is not in the organised form, and with large pressure differences, we experience from sound.

If you do the calulations you will find the speed of these vibrations associated with thermal energy much faster than any storm.
 
Although * technically * the objects arent touching, they are as good as touching for all purposes. The space between one object and the other when we see it as 'touching' is infinitesmally small. In any case, the force from one object is still transferred to the other. IE, bang a hammer on some wood, even though the wood and hammer molocules never actually touch, the hammer still 'pushes' the wood, because the magnetic fields of the atoms are pushing on each other.

You may be right, wind may alter sound to a degree, but really, sound moves much much faster than wind, so the sound should zoom right through a windstream before it changes much, making it harder for wind to alter sound very much.

I would say that wind does transfer some heat energy to you, but very little, and the winds cooling effects on the skin greatly outweight the heating effects. As to why wind doesn't transfer a lot of heat energy, I would have to guess that due to the relativly slow speed of wind (from 1-20 mph), there simply isn't enough kinetic energy in this to make that big of a difference, due to the speed and also mabye the low density of air. Someone should be able to answer this one better.
 
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how come different sounds are made when you hit different objects together, when in reality, the two objects aren't even touching (due to the repulsion of the electrons that make up the objects). and what is a sound wave? it can't just be the movement of air because then we would here different sounds all the time when it was windy, right?

also, is heat created due to the movement of atoms, or the vibrations of atoms? if its just movement, wouldn't windy days be hotter than they are?

these are probably really stupid questions, but i was just curious.

If that is not touching, nothing is, so you might as well call it "touching". Specifying what Jake said, repulsion is not due to magnetic fields or surface electrons, it is due to the object's entire electric field framework of both nuclei and electrons.

The difference between a sound wave and wind is that wind is not a wave, or rather, it is an extremely low-frequency wave. If wind went left and right really quickly, it would make your ear drum shake, and you would have noise.

In a wind, all atoms travel in the same general direction. In a hot gas, they don't. That is much of the difference.
 
I am a front of house live sound engineer. Wind definitely affects me on a daily basis when working outdoor jobs. It gets really bad in larger venues (20,000 seaters or more). You can hear the high end (5kHz and up) literally comb filtering as it makes it's way through the atmosphere.
 

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