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The discussion revolves around the concepts of electric potential energy and electric potential, particularly focusing on their differences and the context in which potential difference is calculated. Participants are trying to clarify these fundamental concepts in electrostatics.

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  • Participants are exploring the definitions of electric potential energy and electric potential, questioning how they relate to potential difference. There are attempts to explain the relationship between work done, potential energy, and movement of charges in an electric field.

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Some participants are expressing confusion and seeking clarification on the concepts. Others are providing explanations and corrections to previous statements, indicating a collaborative effort to deepen understanding. There is a mix of interpretations being discussed, particularly regarding the role of external forces and the nature of electric fields.

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There are indications of varying levels of understanding among participants, with some expressing significant confusion about the topic. The discussion includes references to specific scenarios involving charges in electric fields, which may not cover all potential contexts of the concepts being discussed.

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Can some please explain the difference between "Electric potential Energy & electric potential" and when a problem is asking you to find the potential difference which is it asking for?
 
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Ksingh30 said:
Can some please explain the difference between "Electric potential Energy & electric potential" and when a problem is asking you to find the potential difference which is it asking for?
Potential is just the amount of potential energy per unit of charge,
thus for a point charge with charge q and potential energy U

[tex]V = \frac{U}{q} [/itex]<br /> <br /> Another way of saying this is that V is the potential energy a point charge of 1C would have.<br /> <br /> As you know the change in potential energy [itex]\Delta U[/itex] can be used to find the amount of work done by a conservative force.<br /> <br /> Thus [itex]\Delta V[/itex] tells us the amount of work done per unit of charge by an electric field.<br /> <br /> Or again, another way of saying this is that [itex]\Delta V[/itex] is the amount of work done on a point charge of 1C by an electric field.[/tex]
 
wow

im still confused. I don't understand. This is the first topic in physics so far that has me confused.
 
which part confuses you?
Do you know what potential energy is? If not then potential won't make any sense no matter how its explained.
 
oh wait

I think I just got it. correct me if I am wrong please. if a charge enters a uniform electric field and it moves from point A to point B. The work done to move it from point Ato B=FD(distance moved), and if the charge moved towards the Low PE. it gained kinetic energy therefore it lost PE. so the change in PE(electric potential)=-W(work done to move from A to B)= -FD. and then the potential diference (V). the chance in V= change in PE/ q(the charge)
well?
 
charge

im assuming the charge is positive
 
Ksingh30 said:
I think I just got it. correct me if I am wrong please.
a few corrections but for the most part your right., my corrections are in bold

if a charge enters a uniform electric field and it moves from point A to point B. The work done to move it from point Ato B=FD(distance moved), and if the charge moved towards the Low PE. it gained kinetic energy therefore it lost PE(side note: if the charge moved to a position with less PE that means it lost potential energy. ). so the change in PE(electric potential energy)=-W(work done by the electric field to move from A to B )= -FD. and then the potential diference (V). the chance in V= change in PE/ q(the charge)
well?

This is one very specific example
 
With no intention to confuse you further (believe me mate, this can really kill you if you don't do it properly...) I'd like to add that in most texts, the external agent applies a force on the charge which is equal and opposite to the electrostatic force on it. This is because it is desired that the object be moved with zero acceleration. This is a very essential idea in electrostatics and you'll use it (sometimes unconsciously) in future.
 
Ksingh30 said:
Can some please explain the difference between "Electric potential Energy & electric potential" and when a problem is asking you to find the potential difference which is it asking for?

Just to add to what has been said here, an "electric potential" is due to the "field", whereas an "electric potential energy" is due to some test charge IN that field.

Let's say something somewhere creates an electrostatic field. Then the electric potential is the potential at some location in space due to this field. Only when you put a test charge Q at that location, is there now an electric potential energy, since you can now make a statement about work done in moving that charge from a 0 potential reference point to that location.

Notice that we are saying nothing about the field generated by Q itself. Q is simply a test charge residing within this already-created external field. [Q interacting with its own field is what is crudely defined as the self-energy interaction]

Zz.
 

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