How can you integrate a vector without decomposing it in x and y components?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a vector, specifically in the context of calculating the electric field generated by a charged piece of metal with a linear density that varies with position. The original poster seeks clarification on whether it is possible to perform this integration without decomposing the vector into its x and y components.

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  • Participants explore the possibility of integrating a vector directly, questioning the necessity of decomposing it into components. They discuss the expression for the electric field and the implications of the direction of the unit vector involved in the integration.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the direction of the unit vector and its implications for the integration process. There is an ongoing exploration of whether the unit vector can be treated as constant during integration, which could simplify the calculation.

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Participants note that they have recently started learning about integrals in mathematics, which may influence their understanding of the physics concepts being discussed.

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Hello, I just wanted to know if you can integrate a vector, and if so, how.
Here is a problem: A charged piece of metal of linear density 2 * 10^-6 * x , between x=2 and x=5.
I found its charge by integrating.. and it is 21 micro C.

Now that's what I want to know: calculate the electric field at x=0
I know that [tex]\vec{E} = \int{} d \vec{E}[/tex]

but in my physics book, it says I have to decompose it in [tex]E_x[/tex] or [tex]{E_y}[/tex] and integrate. But since I hate working without vectors, do you think there's a way to integrate without decomposing it in x and y, like something like this..:
[tex]\vec{E} = \int{} \frac{k dq }{r^2} \vec{u}[/tex] = [tex]\vec{E} = \int{} \frac{k \lambda dx }{x^2} \vec{u}[/tex]

Is there a way to do this? My teacher hasn't started this topic yet, I'm just curious.
Thanks a lot !
 
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mad said:
Hello, I just wanted to know if you can integrate a vector, and if so, how.
Here is a problem: A charged piece of metal of linear density 2 * 10^-6 * x , between x=2 and x=5.
I found its charge by integrating.. and it is 21 micro C.

Now that's what I want to know: calculate the electric field at x=0
I know that [tex]\vec{E} = \int{} d \vec{E}[/tex]

but in my physics book, it says I have to decompose it in [tex]E_x[/tex] or [tex]{E_y}[/tex] and integrate. But since I hate working without vectors, do you think there's a way to integrate without decomposing it in x and y, like something like this..:
[tex]\vec{E} = \int{} \frac{k dq \vec{u}}{r^2}[/tex] = [tex]\vec{E} = \int{} \frac{k \lambda dx \vec{u}}{x^2}[/tex]
Is there a way to do this? My teacher hasn't started this topic yet, I'm just curious.
Thanks a lot !

What is the direction of the unit vector [itex]\vec{u}[/itex] ?

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
What is the direction of the unit vector [itex]\vec{u}[/itex] ?

Daniel.
It is -i , since they ask the electric field at x=0 . Is there a reason you are asking this?
 
Yes,i wanted to know whether it was constant or not.If it is,then u can take it outta the integral and compute the "scalar" integral (which yields the component of [itex]\vec{E}[/itex] along the direction of [itex]\vec{u}[/itex])...

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Yes,i wanted to know whether it was constant or not.If it is,then u can take it outta the integral and compute the "scalar" integral (which yields the component of [itex]\vec{E}[/itex] along the direction of [itex]\vec{u}[/itex])...

Daniel.
[tex]k \lambda \vec{i} \int \frac{dx}{x^2}[/tex]

You mean this? We have just started integrals in math., so I may have confused some things.
 

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