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The discussion revolves around the derivation and understanding of the Lorentz transformation in the context of special relativity, particularly comparing it to the Galilean transformation. Participants are invited to critique the author's website and address potential issues in the presentation of mathematical concepts and derivations.

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  • The author questions whether the Lorentz transform should be expressed as x = γ(x - vt) instead of x' = γ(x - vt), based on the application of length contraction.
  • One participant requests clarification on the reference frames involved in the transformation, specifically which system is moving relative to which.
  • The author clarifies that frame S' is moving with velocity v relative to rest frame S in the positive x direction.
  • Another participant asserts that the author's understanding of the transformation is incorrect and provides a correction regarding the expression of the Lorentz transform.
  • The author acknowledges the correction and expresses intent to review a modern physics textbook for further understanding.
  • The author reiterates the derivation of the inverse Lorentz transformation and notes that it is a Lorentz transformation with the velocity sign reversed.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the Lorentz transformation, with some supporting the author's initial question and others providing corrections. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the author's initial interpretation.

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There are potential limitations in the assumptions made about the reference frames and the application of length contraction, which may affect the derivation of the Lorentz transformation.

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I've set up my own website,

http://www.freewebs.com/mouldy-fart/

Please critique the articles on math and physics, especially the more mathematical ones. I fear that there could be problems in my presentation or derivations of certain formulas (in physics) or that my understanding of the concept is just wrong !

I have a little question as well:

In deriving the lorentz transform for the x-coordinate, [tex]x'=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex] as compared to the galilean transform [tex]x'=x-vt[/tex]. By taking into account length contraction [tex]x'=\frac{1}{\gamma} x[/tex], shouldn't the lorentz transform be [tex]x=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex] instead of [tex]x'=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex], since if we substitute the length contraction formula, x' is already replaced by x divided by one over gamma?
 
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Please,set up the problem.Which system is moving wrt which,in what direction,...blah,blah,...

Daniel.
 
^hmmm, apologies if i wasn't specific enough.

Frame S' is moving with velocity v relative to a rest frame S in the positive x direction (i.e. towards the right).
 
misogynisticfeminist said:
In deriving the lorentz transform for the x-coordinate, [tex]x'=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex] as compared to the galilean transform [tex]x'=x-vt[/tex]. By taking into account length contraction [tex]x'=\frac{1}{\gamma} x[/tex], shouldn't the lorentz transform be [tex]x=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex] instead of [tex]x'=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex], since if we substitute the length contraction formula, x' is already replaced by x divided by one over gamma?

I'm afraid the bolded part is incorrect.It should be [itex]x'=\gamma (x-vt) [/tex] or else [tex]x=\gamma (x'+vt')[/tex].You can find the rigurous proof (which is pretty digestable) in any SR (electrodynamics) book.<br /> <br /> Daniel.[/itex]
 
^ hmm ok, understood, I'll dig up the modern physics textbook again...thanks for the help...

: )
 
misogynisticfeminist said:
I've set up my own website,

http://www.freewebs.com/mouldy-fart/


I have a little question as well:

In deriving the lorentz transform for the x-coordinate, [tex]x'=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex] as compared to the galilean transform [tex]x'=x-vt[/tex]. By taking into account length contraction [tex]x'=\frac{1}{\gamma} x[/tex], shouldn't the lorentz transform be [tex]x=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex] instead of [tex]x'=\gamma(x-vt)[/tex], since if we substitute the length contraction formula, x' is already replaced by x divided by one over gamma?

Then inverse of the Lorentz transform

x' = gamma*(x-v*t)
t' = gamma*(t-v*x)

is just

x = gamma*(x'+v*t')
t = gamma*(t' + v*x')

You should be able to simply solve the linear equations to verify this - also note that the inverse of the Lorentz transform is a Lorentz transform with v=-v, which should be obvious if you think about it for a bit.
 
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