Calculating Entropy Change in a Brass Rod Undergoing Heat Conduction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total change in entropy for a brass rod that is in thermal contact with two heat reservoirs at different temperatures. The original poster presents an attempt to compute the entropy change resulting from the conduction of heat through the rod, while also expressing uncertainty about the initial states of the system.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the entropy change using the heat transfer values and questions how to determine the entropy change of the rod itself, given the irreversible nature of the process.
  • Some participants suggest that the rod remains in a steady-state condition, leading to the conclusion that its entropy change is zero.
  • Others express uncertainty about the initial temperature of the rod and its implications for the entropy calculation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have provided insights into the steady-state condition of the rod, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the initial temperature and state of the rod.

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There is a noted lack of information regarding the initial temperature of the rod before it was connected to the heat reservoirs, which is impacting the discussion on how to approach the entropy change calculation.

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A brass rod is in thermal contact with a heat reservoir at 130 degree C at one end and a heat reservoir at 24.0 degree C at the other end. Compute the total change in the entropy arising from the process of conduction of 1200 J of heat through the rod.

My attempt is:

[tex] \[<br /> \begin{gathered}<br /> \Delta S = \Delta S_{heat} + \Delta S_{rod} + \Delta S_{cool} \hfill \\<br /> \Delta S_{heat} = \frac{Q}<br /> {T} = \frac{{ - 1200{\text{ J}}}}<br /> {{130 + 273{\text{ K}}}} \hfill \\<br /> \Delta S_{cool} = \frac{Q}<br /> {T} = \frac{{1200{\text{ J}}}}<br /> {{24 + 273{\text{ K}}}} \hfill \\ <br /> \end{gathered} <br /> \][/tex]

so far, am I correct? If yes, how can I calculate the entropy change of the rod?
I know it is a irreversible process. but without knowing the intial states (p, V, T), it is impossible to construct a reversible one connecting the intial and final states and then make use of the fact that entropy is a state function.
so I think there must be an indirect method to know the entropy change of the rod.

Please give me some hints coz I have read the entropy chapter of my textbook for many times and I'm still not sure how to approach it. :cry:
Thanks in advance
 
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The problem begins with the Rod already connected as indicated and already in a dynamically steady-state condition. Therefore, no state change occurs in the Rod for the thermodynamic processes of this problem. Hence:

[tex]:(1): \ \ \ \ \Delta S = \Delta S_{HOT} + \Delta S_{rod} + \Delta S_{COLD}[/tex]

[tex]:(2): \ \ \ \ \Delta S_{HOT} = \frac {\Delta Q} {T} = \frac {-1200} {130 + 273}[/tex]

[tex]:(3): \ \ \ \ \Delta S_{COLD} = \frac {\Delta Q} {T} = \frac {1200}<br /> {24 + 273}[/tex]

[tex]:(4): \ \ \ \ \Delta S_{rod} = 0[/tex]

[tex]:(5): \ \ \ \ \Delta S = (+1.063 \ J)[/tex]


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From the given information, I would assume that the rod doesn't change at all during this process so it can't have any change in entropy. If there is some constant heat flow across the rod, its temperature is ill-defined but you can't really say it's changing in any way, so all the entropy would be due solely to the changes in the heat reservoirs.

I'm fairly new to thermo, though, so a second opinion would be good.

edit: ah, xanthym, great
 
thank you xanthym and duarh!

In my mind I have unconsciously assumed that the rod is originally at room temperature before connected to the reserviors, so there should be temperature change.

I see your points ~ thanks a lot :)
 

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