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AndersHermansson
Sep28-03, 12:04 PM
Multiplication is defined as repeated addition.
3x5 = 5+5+5
How do we define 10/2?
Pocketwatch
Sep28-03, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by AndersHermansson
Multiplication is defined as repeated addition.
3x5 = 5+5+5
How do we define 10/2?
Repeated subtraction?
10-2-2-2-2-2=0 5 equal parts.
10/3
10-3-3-3=1 3.3333333333333 parts. 3 and 1/3
HallsofIvy
Sep28-03, 04:37 PM
You also posted this under "general mathematics" where Hurkyl pointed out, correctly, that multiplication is NOT defined as "repeated addition".
Reminds me of a truly awful joke . . .
Q: How many times can you subtract 5 from 21
and what do you have left?
A: I can subtract 5 from 21 as many times as I like,
and I always have 16 left.
Dissident Dan
Oct10-03, 02:36 AM
If A/B = C, then I would define C as the the number of times that you have to subtract B from a quantity that starts out at A until you get to 0. Hence, 10/5 = 2, because you have to subtract 5 twice from a quantity that starts out at 10 in order to get 0, and 0/0 is undefined, because you always have 0, no matter how many times you subtract, and 10/0 is undefined because there is no answer(There is no amount of times that you can subtract in order to arrive at zero--"no amount of times" is NOT the same as "zero times", because zero is an amount of times; you have an empty set, as opposed to a set with an element 0).
hypnagogue
Oct10-03, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
If A/B = C, then I would define C as the the number of times that you have to subtract B from a quantity that starts out at A until you get to 0. Hence, 10/5 = 2, because you have to subtract 5 twice from a quantity that starts out at 10 in order to get 0, and 0/0 is undefined, because you always have 0, no matter how many times you subtract, and 10/0 is undefined because there is no answer(There is no amount of times that you can subtract in order to arrive at zero--"no amount of times" is NOT the same as "zero times", because zero is an amount of times; you have an empty set, as opposed to a set with an element 0).
What about something like 1/3? How many times do you have to subtract 3 from 1 to get 0? The answer is "1/3 of 3" times, but the answer here using the above formulation doesn't get us any closer to a meaningful answer than the initial question. It's circular.
rolandmath
Oct15-03, 01:05 AM
we define division of two integer numbers a and b as follows a/b is
a=b(q)+r
for some integers q and 0<= r< b. Here q and r are uniquely deteremine. 28/5 is the same thing as 28=5(5)+3 If you want to get fancy schmancy. Take the integers Z and since Z is an integral domain define the field of rationals Q as all the numbers(quotients) that satisfy the following equation for x
xm=n
all solution are n/m where m and n are integers, here you have the field of quotients or Q
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