One of those problems that looks simple but probably isn't

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving capacitors, specifically a 2.7 uF capacitor charged by a 12 V battery, which is then connected to an uncharged 4 uF capacitor. Participants are exploring the energy stored in the capacitors before and after the connection, as well as the differences in energy.

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  • Participants discuss calculating energy using the formula E = 1/2 Q^2/C and question the implications of voltage in the system after the capacitors are connected. There is uncertainty about whether to consider the voltage across each capacitor separately or to find the total energy directly.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts and attempts at solving the problem. Some have raised questions about the need to account for voltage and whether to calculate energy for each capacitor individually. There is no explicit consensus yet, and various interpretations are being explored.

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Participants are navigating assumptions about the behavior of capacitors when disconnected from a power source and the implications of charge conservation in the system.

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A 2.7 uF capacitor is charged by a 12 V battery. It is disconnected from the battery and then connected to an uncharged 4 uF capacitor. Determine the total stored energy before the connection, after the two are connected, and the difference between the two energies.

OK. So for the first question, obviously, you just find E by using 1/2 Q^2/C. Sounds good. I think the second part is where it gets tricky.

So I have this system that now has a total capacitance of 6.7 uF. My instinct is to just say, well, I have a 6.7 uF capacitance system with a charge of whatever I found in the first part, and I can just solve E = 1/2 Q^2/C. There is no voltage, right? Because neither capacitor is connected to a battery.

So then the difference is just the second minus the first. I am assuming the second part is wrong because it seems too easy.
 
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OK, yeah, it seems similar enough. So I do have to take voltage into account? I will look into that and post my earnest attempt at an answer.
 
OK, I'm lost. This is what I did.

Knowing the total capacitance (6.7 uF) and the total charge (from the first part, which is 3.24E -5 since it comes only from the first capacitor) we can find the total voltage. Now that we know all three things, can't we just use them to find energy, or do I have to find the value of each capacitor's energy separately? If I do have to do this, how? I guess you could set up two equations like:

V = V1 + V2
and
Q = C1V1 + C2V2

but I'm pretty sure that doesn't work.
 

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