Physics Newtons 3rd/2nd law problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving Newton's laws, specifically focusing on a system of weights connected by a pulley. The scenario includes a 2.0 kg block on a table, a 3 kg weight hanging, and a 1 kg weight also hanging, with friction considered in the analysis.

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  • Participants explore the application of Newton's second law to different masses in the system, discussing the relationships between tensions and accelerations. Questions arise regarding the notation used for tensions and how to relate the forces acting on the block on the table to the hanging weights to find acceleration.

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Some participants have provided equations based on their interpretations of the forces involved, while others seek clarification on the notation and how to connect the different components of the system. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the tensions and the resulting accelerations.

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Participants are working with the constraints of the problem, including the coefficient of kinetic friction and the need for a consistent convention for acceleration across the different masses. The lack of a visual representation of the setup may also be impacting the clarity of the discussion.

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The coefficient of kinetic friction between the 2.0 kg block in figure and the table is 0.280.

I can't get a picture up here, but i will make the picture easy for you to imagine.

there is a table with a pulley on 2 corners. one 2kg weight is on the middle, there is a 3kg weight hanging over the right side, there is a 1 kg weight hanging over the left side. all attached to same rope.

thus far i have -f-T1+T2=ma or -5.488-T1+T2=2kg(a)
 
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3a = 3g - T(3,2)
2a = T(3,2) - T(1,2) - 2 mu g
1a = T(1,2) - g

solve for a, T(1,2) and T(3,2).
 
i don't understand, what are the commas for.

I have the tensions for the string for the dangling weights, but how do i relate this to the weight on the table to find accel
 
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oldunion said:
thus far i have -f-T1+T2=ma or -5.488-T1+T2=2kg(a)
This is Newton's 2nd law applied to the 2kg mass on the table. Good!

Now apply Newton's 2nd law to the other two masses. Be sure to adopt a consistent convention for acceleration: For example: the 2kg mass has an acceleration of "a" to the right, the 3kg mass has an acceleration of "a" down, the 1kg mass has an acceleration of "a" up. This is the acceleration constraint of the system, since the masses are tied together.

You'll get two other equations, which will allow you to eliminate T1 & T2 and solve for "a".

Note: This is exactly what stunner5000pt provided--I'm just adding a little explanation. In his notation, T(1,2) means the tension in the rope between masses 1 and 2, etc. His T(1,2) is equivalent to your T1.
 

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