Will a Master's in Applied Math Open Doors Beyond Teaching?

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The discussion centers around the potential career opportunities available to individuals with a Master's degree in Applied Mathematics, particularly in statistics. Participants explore job outlooks, the feasibility of pursuing a Ph.D., and the financial implications of graduate studies.

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  • One participant expresses interest in pursuing a Master's in Applied Mathematics and questions the job market for math majors, specifically those specializing in statistics.
  • Another participant suggests that statistics is generally a good area for employment, mentioning roles in quality control and actuarial positions, but notes uncertainty about the amount of "real math" involved.
  • Concerns are raised about the financial viability of pursuing a Ph.D., including the adequacy of stipends for living expenses, especially for those with families.
  • Some participants discuss the challenges of balancing a full-time job with the demands of graduate research, suggesting that a full-time job could hinder progress in a Ph.D. program.
  • There are differing opinions on the value of teaching versus applying mathematical knowledge in industry, with one participant expressing sadness over the idea of only teaching without practical application.
  • Suggestions are made regarding finding supportive advisors, subsidized housing, and part-time work opportunities to help manage finances during graduate studies.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best path forward regarding employment opportunities for math graduates or the balance between teaching and applying mathematics in practice. Multiple competing views on these topics remain present throughout the discussion.

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Participants express varying assumptions about the job market and the financial implications of graduate studies, with some noting that stipends may vary significantly by institution and prestige.

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Individuals considering a Master's or Ph.D. in Applied Mathematics or Statistics, those interested in the job market for math graduates, and prospective graduate students weighing the financial aspects of advanced studies may find this discussion relevant.

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right now, I am a senior getting a BA in math this summer, and after that, I will try to apply and get my masters in applied math, i.e, statistics. After getting that masters degree, will it be easy to find a job? I really like statistics, and want to get a job diong this kind of stuff...how are the job outlooks these days for math majors and ones who specializes in statistics? Is it still "You can only teach" type of thing, or will I have many doors open?
 
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Statistics is, generally speaking, a good area for employment. Many companies employ statisticians for "quality control" or testing. How much real "math" is involved, I can't say. Of course, insurance companies employ actuaries which are basically statisticians working in insurance. I, at one time, considered a job as an actuary but decided it just wasn't what I was interested in. I've been much happier teaching, but that's me!
 
HallsofIvy said:
Statistics is, generally speaking, a good area for employment. Many companies employ statisticians for "quality control" or testing. How much real "math" is involved, I can't say. Of course, insurance companies employ actuaries which are basically statisticians working in insurance. I, at one time, considered a job as an actuary but decided it just wasn't what I was interested in. I've been much happier teaching, but that's me!


yea, to tell you the truth, I want to teach too...but only at college level...and the idea of studying for a ph.D...kind of gives me mixed feelings.

I think I would enjoy studying and learning for years and years, and doing research...but wow...I don't want to be in school for *that* long...since I"m getting married soon, and need to worry about financial things.

something I always wonder...while students study for their doctoral degree. how do they make money? I know that lots and lots become T.A's and teach classes and all that...but when you go for your ph.D, do students usually have time for a *real* full time job??
 
semidevil said:
but when you go for your ph.D, do students usually have time for a *real* full time job??

A real full time job will probably lead to one of two things:

(1) You spend so little time at your research that your advisor drops you.

(2) You spend the next 10-15 years in grad school.
 
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juvenal said:
A real full time job will probably lead to one of two things:

(1) You spend so little time at your research that your advisor drops you.

(2) You spend the next 10-15 years in grad school.

wow, so with the stipends that the school give you for TA/GA's and all that, is it enough to live on? or 2 people? I read that it is around 7000 USD or so per semester right?

just kind of wondering because this will definanalty factor into my future.
 
semidevil said:
wow, so with the stipends that the school give you for TA/GA's and all that, is it enough to live on? or 2 people? I read that it is around 7000 USD or so per semester right?

just kind of wondering because this will definanalty factor into my future.

Stipends vary from place to place. I think less prestigious places may pay less.

I would suggest your wife work. And hold off on having kids.

If not, then:

(1) Find an adviser that has a great track record of graduating students in 5 years or less. The sooner you graduate, the faster you'll make more money. This will also require hard work on your part, as well as focus and discipline. Don't be a martyr and spend time on insignificant details and dead-end side tangents in your research - IF you want to graduate reasonably promptly.

(2) Find a university that has guaranteed (for your entire grad school stay) subsidized housing for married couples. Single students can save money by finding roommates. That's usually not an option for married couples.

(3) Find a university located somewhere where a car isn't really needed or where the inconvenience factor (for you) of not having a car isn't too great.

(4) Do some part-time tutoring/teaching/grading. Some departments do have extra opportunities for teaching and grading.
 
semidevil said:
wow, so with the stipends that the school give you for TA/GA's and all that, is it enough to live on? or 2 people? I read that it is around 7000 USD or so per semester right?

$7000 per semester sounds about right. I certainly wouldn't try to support two people on it, though. It's not intended for that.

At the end of my grad school period, I think I was making about $7000 per year, but that was about 20 years ago. Also, I was still single, and I shared an apartment with another grad student. I didn't own a car until my last year in grad school, when my parents made me a present of their old VW Beetle.

What with all that, I actually did pretty well on my stipend. I never went hungry, and I even managed to travel to Europe a couple of times (sleeping at friends and relatives, or in hostels, of course :-)
 
IMHO, I find it pretty sad to take all the time learning all that math, at the expense of enjoying other facets of life, only to end up teaching that to other students, without ever applying the knowledge directly yourself. But, to each his own, I guess :)
 
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Teaching should only be a segment of what a PhD does for a living.

Think about it.
 

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