Double Integral Substitution: Solving for the Jacobian in Terms of u and v

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The problem involves evaluating a double integral of the function f(x,y) = (x/y - y/x) over a specified region R in the first quadrant, defined by certain curves. The original poster considers a substitution involving u = xy and v = x^2 - y^2 to facilitate the integration process.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the Jacobian for their substitution but struggles to express it in terms of u and v. They seek alternative substitutions or hints for finding the Jacobian. Other participants suggest considering Green's Theorem as a potential approach, although one participant expresses uncertainty about its relevance due to their current coursework.

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The discussion includes various attempts to approach the problem through substitution and alternative methods. Some participants are exploring the implications of using Green's Theorem, while others are focused on the substitution method. The original poster indicates they have found a solution but does not provide details, leaving the discussion open-ended.

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There is mention of the original poster's struggle with the problem for several hours, indicating a complex setup. Additionally, one participant notes that they have not yet learned about Green's Theorem, which may influence their approach to the problem.

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The question is Evaluate the double integral over the region R of the function f(x,y)=(x/y -y/x), where R is in the first quadrant, bounded by the curves xy=1, xy=3, x^2 -y^2 =1, x^2-y^2 =4.

Now it seems that a substitution would be the best bet. What I've done is make u=xy, and v=x^2 -y^2. From this, I calculate the Jacobian and get |J|=2(x^2 +y^2). The problem is, I can't then find J in terms of u,v. I've tried many other substitutions, but finding the limits of integration just become much more difficult.

Can anyone either suggest another substitution (right or wrong doesn't matter, I'll check anyways) or give me a hint as to how to find J in terms of u,v? I've been doing this question for about 3-5 hours and I just keep going in circles.

Thank you very much
 
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Imo said:
The question is Evaluate the double integral over the region R of the function f(x,y)=(x/y -y/x), where R is in the first quadrant, bounded by the curves xy=1, xy=3, x^2 -y^2 =1, x^2-y^2 =4.
Have you considered applying Green's Theorem (shown below). The Line Integrals are probably easier to compute in this case. (Remember to traverse "C" in the positive sense, that is, counter-clockwise.)
P = y2/(2x)
Q = x2/(2y)
(∂P/∂y) = y/x
(∂Q/∂x) = x/y
∫∫R f(x,y) dx dy = ∫∫R (x/y) - (y/x) dx dy = ∫∫R (∂Q/∂x) - (∂P/∂y) dx dy =
= ∫C P dx + Q dy = ∫C y2/(2x) dx + ∫C x2/(2y) dy

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I don't think Green's Theorem is even needed, considering I haven't learned it in that class yet. I'm pretty sure there's an appropriate substitution.
 
thanks xanthym for answering, i figured out the answer a little while ago. If anyone is interested: You just make the substitution I said above, and you can square and take square root x^2 +y^2 and then complete the square to get a value of the Jacobian as a function of u and v. You need an integral table (or a good memory) to do the final integral.
 

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