Boundary Conditions for Wave Functions in Infinite Potential Wells

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical requirements for wave functions in an infinite potential well, particularly focusing on boundary conditions at x = 0 and x = ∞, as well as the implications of behavior at x = -∞. Participants explore the normalization of wave functions and the continuity conditions necessary for physical states.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the behavior of the wave function at x = -∞ affects its validity in the Schrödinger equation, suggesting that a wave function going to -∞ may not fit, while one that approaches zero might.
  • Another participant clarifies that the potential is infinite for x ≤ 0 and zero for x > 0, prompting a discussion on the mathematical requirements for wave functions in this context.
  • A participant states that physical states must be described by normalizable wave functions, indicating that the wave function should be zero on the negative axis and a Hermite polynomial on the positive axis to ensure normalizability.
  • Continuity of the wave function at x = 0 is emphasized, with a note that both the zero function and Hermite polynomials are continuous, but continuity must be enforced at the boundary.
  • Another participant raises a question about the necessity of boundary conditions on the momentum at x = 0, suggesting that the imposition of two boundary conditions may suffice without additional constraints.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of boundary conditions and the behavior of wave functions at x = -∞. There is no consensus on the necessity or implications of specific conditions imposed on the wave function.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of defining wave functions under infinite potential conditions, particularly regarding normalization and continuity, without resolving the mathematical intricacies involved.

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Hi, I have a question about the mathematical requirements of a wave function in a potential that is infinite at [tex]x \leq 0[/tex]. (At the other side it goes towards infinity at [tex]x = \infty[/tex].) Now, given a wave function in this potential that is zero for [tex]x = 0[/tex] and [tex]x = \infty[/tex]. Does it matter what that wavefunction is at [tex]x = -\infty[/tex]? I mean, I just figured you would have a wave function there that's zero all the way. Why will a wave function that goes to [tex]-\infty[/tex] at [tex]x = -\infty[/tex] not fit in the (time independent) Schrödinger equation, whereas one that goes to zero at [tex]-\infty[/tex] does? After all when we're normalizing it, we're just integrating from 0 to [tex]\infty[/tex] and doesn't really need to bother with it at negative x values. Or is that just some mathematical requirement that is independent of the physical properties? Can someone enlighten me, please?
 
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Spinny said:
Hi, I have a question about the mathematical requirements of a wave function in a potential that is infinite at [tex]x \leq 0[/tex]. (At the other side it goes towards infinity at [tex]x = \infty[/tex].) Now, given a wave function in this potential that is zero for [tex]x = 0[/tex] and [tex]x = \infty[/tex]. Does it matter what that wavefunction is at [tex]x = -\infty[/tex]? I mean, I just figured you would have a wave function there that's zero all the way. Why will a wave function that goes to [tex]-\infty[/tex] at [tex]x = -\infty[/tex] not fit in the (time independent) Schrödinger equation, whereas one that goes to zero at [tex]-\infty[/tex] does? After all when we're normalizing it, we're just integrating from 0 to [tex]\infty[/tex] and doesn't really need to bother with it at negative x values. Or is that just some mathematical requirement that is independent of the physical properties? Can someone enlighten me, please?

Is this your problem:
"Solve the unidimensional SE for one particle in the the potential field:

[tex]U(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{c}+\infty,\mbox{for} \ x\in(-\infty,0]\\0,\mbox{for} \ x\in (0,+\infty)\end{array}\right[/tex]

,because you didn't say anything about the potential in the positive semiaxis...

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Is this your problem:
"Solve the unidimensional SE for one particle in the the potential field:

[tex]U(x)=\left\{\begin{array}{c}+\infty,\mbox{for} \ x\in(-\infty,0]\\0,\mbox{for} \ x\in (0,+\infty)\end{array}\right[/tex]

,because you didn't say anything about the potential in the positive semiaxis...

Daniel.

The potential is the harmonic oscillator on the positive semiaxis. The problem is what are the mathematical requirements for the wave function. Let's say you have a function [tex]\psi(x)[/tex], then what are the mathematical requirements that function need to meet in order to be a wavefunction for that potential?
 
Physical states are described by normalizable wavefunctions...

In your case,on the negative semiaxis the wave function is zero and on the positive semiaxis is a Hermite polynomial.So i'd say this is normalizable.

Then comes the continuity of the wavefunction.Both 0 & Hermite Polynomials are continuous,however,at the point 0,the continuity must be enforced.

The first derivative issue is rather tricky.U may want to consult a book how to deal with infinite potentials & the conditions imposed on the wavefunction.

Daniel.
 
Think about the following:

1. The eigenfunctions for the linear oscillator are strictly even or or odd.

2. For this problem, why should there be any boundary condition on the momentum, the first spatial derivative, at x=0, if two boundary conditions have already been imposed? (Think about a particle wave packet, in the oscillator well, moving toward the x=0 wall. What's going to happen at the wall?)

Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 

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