What is P(B) given conditional probabilities and the complement of A?

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The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities, specifically focusing on the union of events, conditional probabilities, and the complement of events. Participants explore various probability problems, including the application of formulas and the interpretation of given values.

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  • One participant questions how to calculate P(A ∪ B) given P(A), P(A ∩ B), and P(B), considering whether events A and B are mutually exclusive.
  • Another participant confirms the formula for P(A ∪ B) and calculates it as 0.6, asserting that A and B are not mutually exclusive since P(A ∩ B) is not zero.
  • Participants discuss the calculation of expected values E(X) and E(X^3) using moment generating functions and integrals, with some confirming the correctness of each other's calculations.
  • One participant expresses confusion about finding P(¬B) using conditional probabilities, stating they found P(A ∩ B) and P(B ∩ ¬A) but are unsure how to proceed.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of how to calculate P(¬B) using the law of total probability, arriving at a value of 0.29.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the notation A^c, with another participant explaining it as the complement of A.
  • One participant acknowledges understanding the relationship between probabilities of events and their complements after receiving explanations from others.

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Participants generally agree on the application of probability formulas and calculations, but some areas remain contested, particularly regarding the interpretation of mutual exclusivity and the approach to calculating certain probabilities. The discussion does not reach a consensus on all points, as some participants express uncertainty.

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Some calculations depend on the assumptions made about the independence or exclusivity of events, which are not fully resolved in the discussion. Participants also express varying levels of understanding regarding the notation and concepts involved.

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Well the first and last I'm having some troubles with, and 2-4 I think the logic I am using is correct but would like his verified since no answers were provided

What is [itex]P(A \cup B)[/itex] if [itex]P(A) = 0.2, P(A \cap B) = 0.1, P(B) = 0.5?[/itex]

Would that just be the prob. of being in A or B minus prob of being in both (prob of being in A + prob being in B - A int B). Would it depend on whether they are mutually exclusive or not? (how can we tell if that's all tahts given in the question).
I am kind of half between (A + B) and half between (A + B - AintB). But since A int B was included in the question, would that imply that I should use A + B - A int B = 0.2 + 0.5 - 0.1 = 0.6

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What is E(X) if Mx(u) = [itex](1-u)^{-3}, u<1[/itex]

To find E(X) find the first derivative:
= -3(1-u)^(-4).-1
= 3(1-u)^(-4)
and then let u -> 0
3(1)^(-4)
=3

Therefor E(X) = 3


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What is E([itex]X^{3}[/itex]) if fx(x) = 2x, 0<x<1

E(X^(3)) = integral (0,1) of 2x.x^3 dx
= int (0,1) 2x^4 dx
= 2/5 x^5 .. (0,1)
= 2/5

Therefor E(X^3)) = 2/5

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What is c if
g(x) = c|x|, x = -2, -1, 1, 2 is a probability function

For it to be a prob. function, the sum of all the probabilities must equal 1
2c + c + c + 2c = 1
c = 1/6

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What is [itex]P(\overline{B})[/itex] if [itex]P(B|\overline{A}) = 0.5, P(\overline{A}) = 0.3[/itex] [itex]and P(B|A) = 0.8 ?[/itex]

Well I'm a bit stuck on this question;
I used some multiplicative laws to find
[itex]P(A \cap B) = 0.56[/itex]
and [itex]P(B \cap \overline{A}) = 0.15[/itex]
I'm not sure how to continue from here.

Thanks
 
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(A):
What is [itex]P(A \cup B)[/itex] if [itex]P(A) = 0.2, P(A \cap B) = 0.1, P(B) = 0.5?[/itex]

(B):
What is [itex]P(\overline{B})[/itex] if [itex]P(B|\overline{A}) = 0.5, P(\overline{A}) = 0.3[/itex] [itex]and P(B|A) = 0.8 ?[/itex]
ITEM (A):
P(A ∪ B) = P(A) + P(B) - P(A ∩ B)
::: ⇒ P(A ∪ B) = (0.2) + (0.5) - (0.1)
::: ⇒ P(A ∪ B) = (0.6)

ITEM (B):
From problem statement:
P(Ac) = (0.3)
P(A) = 1 - P(Ac) = 1 - (0.3) = (0.7)

P(B | A) = (0.8)
P(Bc | A) = 1 - P(B | A) = 1 - (0.8) = (0.2)

P(B | Ac) = 0.5
P(Bc | Ac) = 1 - P(B | Ac) = 1 - (0.5) = (0.5)

Thus, using above results:
P(Bc) = P(Bc ∩ A) + P(Bc ∩ Ac) =
= P(Bc | A)*P(A) + P(Bc | Ac)*P(Ac) =
= (0.2)*(0.7) + (0.5)*(0.3)
::: ⇒ P(Bc) = (0.29)


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buddingscientist said:
Well the first and last I'm having some troubles with, and 2-4 I think the logic I am using is correct but would like his verified since no answers were provided

What is [itex]P(A \cup B)[/itex] if [itex]P(A) = 0.2, P(A \cap B) = 0.1, P(B) = 0.5?[/itex]

Would that just be the prob. of being in A or B minus prob of being in both (prob of being in A + prob being in B - A int B). Would it depend on whether they are mutually exclusive or not? (how can we tell if that's all tahts given in the question).
I am kind of half between (A + B) and half between (A + B - AintB). But since A int B was included in the question, would that imply that I should use A + B - A int B = 0.2 + 0.5 - 0.1 = 0.6

[itex]P(A\cup B)= P(A)+ P(B)- P(A \cap B)[/itex] so in this problem, yes, [itex]P(A\cup B)= .2+ .5- .1= 0.6[/itex].
You know that A and B are not mutually exclusive because
[itex]P(A\cap B)[/itex] is not 0!

What is E(X) if Mx(u) = [itex](1-u)^{-3}, u<1[/itex]

To find E(X) find the first derivative:
= -3(1-u)^(-4).-1
= 3(1-u)^(-4)
and then let u -> 0
3(1)^(-4)
=3

Therefor E(X) = 3

Assuming that Mx(u) is the moment generating function, then, yes, E(X) is the coefficient of u in the McLaurin expansion of Mx(u): 3 in this case.


What is E([itex]X^{3}[/itex]) if fx(x) = 2x, 0<x<1

E(X^(3)) = integral (0,1) of 2x.x^3 dx
= int (0,1) 2x^4 dx
= 2/5 x^5 .. (0,1)
= 2/5

Therefor E(X^3)) = 2/5

Yes, that's correct.

What is c if
g(x) = c|x|, x = -2, -1, 1, 2 is a probability function

For it to be a prob. function, the sum of all the probabilities must equal 1
2c + c + c + 2c = 1
c = 1/6

Of course.

What is [itex]P(\overline{B})[/itex] if [itex]P(B|\overline{A}) = 0.5, P(\overline{A}) = 0.3[/itex] [itex]and P(B|A) = 0.8 ?[/itex]

Well I'm a bit stuck on this question;
I used some multiplicative laws to find
[itex]P(A \cap B) = 0.56[/itex]
and [itex]P(B \cap \overline{A}) = 0.15[/itex]
I'm not sure how to continue from here.

Thanks

If [itex]P(\overline A)= 0.3[/itex] then P(A)= 1- 0.3= 0.7
[itex]P(B)= P(B|A)P(A)+ P(B|\overline A)P(\overline A)[/itex]
= 0.8(0.7)+ 0.5(0.3)= 0.56+ 0.15= 0.71 so
[itex]P(\overline B)= 1- 0.71= 0.29.[/itex]
 
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Could someone please explain what [itex]A^c[/itex] means? I've never encountered this notation when working with sets? Is it the same as the cartesian product of a set: [itex]A^n[/itex]
 
[tex]A^c[/tex] just means the complement of [tex]A[/tex].
 
Ahh thank you all very much, I must have been unaware of the following results:
[itex]P(B)= P(B \cap A) + P(B \cap \overline A)[/itex]
[itex]P(B)= P(B|A)P(A)+ P(B|\overline A)P(\overline A)[/itex]
and
[itex]P(\overline B)= P(\overline B \cap A) + P(\overline B \cap \overline A)[/itex]
[itex]P(\overline B)= P(\overline B|A)P(A)+ P(\overline B|\overline A)P(\overline A)[/itex]

The prob. of B is the prob of B if A happens + the prob of B if a doesn't happen. Since either A either happens or it doesn't (duh).

Once again thanks I understand it now.
 

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