Finding the Mass of a Suspended Necklace Using the Center of Mass Method

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the center of mass of a meter stick with a necklace suspended from one end. The original poster attempts to apply the center of mass equation to determine the mass of the necklace based on the shift in the balance point.

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  • Participants explore different methods for calculating the mass of the necklace, with some suggesting the use of torque and others questioning the need for calculus. There are discussions about the correct application of the center of mass concept and the setup of the problem.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of how to approach the problem. Some participants provide hints and suggest drawing diagrams, while others express differing opinions on the complexity of the solution. No explicit consensus has emerged regarding the best method to solve the problem.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the use of mass and length in the center of mass calculations, as well as the implications of the balance point shift. There is mention of the mass per length of the meter stick and the torque calculations involved.

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Been trying this one using:
x1m1 = x2m2

I guess I just maybe am not using the right mass or length for center of mass..

Here's the question:

A 0.19 kg meter stick balances at its center. If a necklace is suspended from one end of the stick, the balance point moves 16.3 cm toward that end. What is the mass of the necklace?
 
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You need to use calculus, not physics. Look up center of mass of a rod on google.

I don't remember the formulas, that was like two months ago.
 
don't mislead him, no calculas is needed in this problem, the center of mass of a rod is at its mid-point...
here is some hint:
draw the graph first, and find the torque for LHS and RHS... the torque of the necklace is straight forward, but the torque for the rod is a bit tricky...
 
vworange said:
Been trying this one using:
x1m1 = x2m2

I guess I just maybe am not using the right mass or length for center of mass..

Here's the question:

A 0.19 kg meter stick balances at its center. If a necklace is suspended from one end of the stick, the balance point moves 16.3 cm toward that end. What is the mass of the necklace?
The stick has a mass/length of .19 kg/m or 1.9 g/cm.=[itex]\rho[/itex] The torque when the necklace is added and the balance point is moved is 0:

[tex]M_nd_1 + \rho d_1^2/2 - \rho d_2^2/2 = 0[/tex]

[itex]d_1 = 33.7[/itex] and [itex]d_2 = 66.3 cm[/itex]

(you can think of the torque from one side of the stick as a point mass sitting half way between the end and the balance point on a massless stick).

AM
 
There's no need to divide the rod into 2 pieces and to calculate the torque of each of them.

This problem is as simple as 1,2,3. :zzz:

Look:

Write the equation of the torques around the new ballance point:

15*0.2=35*m
m~0.09kg

That's it!
Enjoy physics!
 

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