New Scientist: What's Your Take?

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The discussion revolves around various claims and concepts presented in a New Scientist article, including the placebo effect, the Big Bang theory, cosmic rays, dark matter, and homeopathy. Participants express skepticism and curiosity about the accuracy and implications of these topics, exploring both scientific understanding and public perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the understanding of the placebo effect, suggesting that while it is known, its classification as "making sense" is debatable.
  • There is a contention regarding the Big Bang, with one participant asserting it should not be part of modern discussions, while others imply it may be mischaracterized as an explosion of matter rather than spacetime.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of scientific theories, with one participant stating that no theory is perfect and that Einstein's theories are not universally accepted as correct.
  • Dark matter is acknowledged as a concept that is partially understood but still raises questions about the completeness of our descriptions of the universe.
  • Homeopathy is criticized for its lack of scientific basis, with one participant expressing disbelief at the idea of water being sold as medicine.
  • The mention of the Wow signal leads to a discussion about potential explanations, with some participants suggesting it could be interference rather than an extraterrestrial signal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the topics discussed, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus on the validity of the claims or the interpretations of the scientific concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some claims are presented with uncertainty, and there are references to the limitations of current scientific understanding, particularly regarding dark matter and the Big Bang. The discussion reflects a mix of skepticism and curiosity about the topics raised.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring the intersection of science and public perception, as well as those curious about contemporary scientific debates and theories.

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#1. Placebo effect - Just when do they consider it something that 'Makes sense'? The placebo effect is well understood, it's understood in how it is created, how it develops, and what the subject feels in the end. It's not like we're in the dark about it. If we call this "not making sense", there are many many things that do not make sense.

#2. Big Bang - It's the big bang. It was created a long long time ago, and quite simply has no place in a modern factual discussion of the universe. At least as far as I know. Also, does this not imply that the "Big Bang" is an explosion of matter, rather than an explosion of spacetime?

#3. Cosmic Rays Wrong - So what? No real scientist and realist will ever tell you that einstein is completely correct in anything, or that any theory is, or that any results are perfect.

#5. Dark Matter - Doesn't completely make sense, and doesn't completely not. No, we can't describe everything in the universe. Oh no!

#6. Martians, Martians, Martians! - Cool. Good to know.

#7. Tetraneutrons - Sounds interesting, but still has a high probability of being a flop.

#8. Pioneer - I think Nieto is right, it probably is some mundane effect.

I'm going to bed now. Goodnight.

EDIT: Whoop, had to come back for #11. This quote should be signatured or at least put in some archive of stupid things on the internet:

The nearest star in that direction is 220 light years away. If that is where is came from, it would have had to be a pretty powerful astronomical event - or an advanced alien civilisation using an astonishingly large and powerful transmitter.

Others think there must be a mundane explanation. Dan Wertheimer, chief scientist for the SETI@home project, says the Wow signal was almost certainly pollution: radio-frequency interference from Earth-based transmissions. "We've seen many signals like this, and these sorts of signals have always turned out to be interference," he says.
 
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I was mainly suspicious of the homeopathy one. I've seen homeopathic descriptions "waves propagating in the water" ETC... it makes no sense. I mean you can make billions upon billions upon billions of tons of a homeopathic remedy from a gram of (whatever). The more dilute it is the better! ?

It occurs to me that people are ACTUALLY BUYING WATER AS A MEDECINE.
 
Yes, that's kind of weird. I'm surprised more people haven't replied to this thread, it kinda belongs in the general discussion, and it kinda belongs here.
 

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