What is the tension as a function of theta

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The discussion revolves around determining the tension in a string as a function of the angle theta for a mass attached to the string, which is given an initial speed. The context involves concepts from dynamics and energy conservation.

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  • Participants discuss identifying forces acting on the mass and applying Newton's second law, along with conservation of energy principles. There are attempts to derive a relationship involving tension and angle, with specific equations being proposed and checked for validity at certain angles.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have offered equations and checked them against specific conditions, while others have raised questions about the assumptions and the application of energy conservation. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive dialogue is ongoing.

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Participants are considering the implications of different angles on the forces acting on the mass, and there is mention of initial conditions that may affect the outcome. The discussion includes references to static equilibrium and energy conservation laws, which are critical to the problem but not fully resolved.

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Need some help with this answer.
A mass m on the end of a string in length L. At the bottom it is given a push to a speed V. What is the tension as a function of theta, where theta is the angle from the intial position?
 
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Start by identifying the forces acting on the mass. Then apply Newton's 2nd law, realizing that the mass is centripetally acceleration. Conservation of energy will come in handy as well.
 
Thanks. How close is this? mv^2/L=Tcos theta
 
amackeytexas said:
Thanks. How close is this? mv^2/L=Tcos theta
Check it for [itex]\theta = 0[/itex]. Does it make sense? (What forces act on the mass at that angle?)
 
forces at that angle are Tsin theta=mg
 
Hi makeytexas,

in order to find the corect answer you must take into account the energy's conservation law too:

[tex]\frac{m v_0^2}{2}=\frac{m v^2}{2}+m g L cos \theta[/tex]

where [tex]v_0[/tex] is the initial speed.

The static equilibrium condition along the string direction would be

[tex]T=mg cos \theta + \frac{m v^2}{L}[/tex]

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clive said:
in order to find the corect answer you must take into account the energy's conservation law too:

[tex]\frac{m v_0^2}{2}=\frac{m v^2}{2}+m g L cos \theta[/tex]

where [tex]v_0[/tex] is the initial speed.
That should be:
[tex]\frac{m v_0^2}{2}=\frac{m v^2}{2}+m g L (1 - cos \theta)[/tex]
 
You're right Doc Al !
 

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