Is the Rank of Matrix A Equal to the Rank of Matrix M?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the rank of a matrix \( A \) and the rank of a matrix \( M \), which is defined as the matrix of a linear transformation \( T \) with respect to specific bases. Participants explore whether the rank of \( A \) is equal to the rank of \( M \), considering various definitions and properties of linear transformations and matrix ranks.

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  • One participant asserts that the rank of \( A \) equals the rank of \( M \) based on the properties of linear transformations and the dimensions of the matrices involved.
  • Another participant questions the clarity of the notation used, specifically the term \( TA \), asking for a definition of \( T \).
  • A participant clarifies that \( T \) stands for a linear transformation and provides the full definition of the formula \( M = CB' A PB \).
  • Another participant suggests a different scenario where the rank of a linear map \( A \) does not equal the rank of a linear transformation \( TA \), using a specific example of a non-zero map and a zero map.
  • One participant states that the rank of a matrix is the dimension of the image of the corresponding linear map, implying that the choice of basis does not affect the rank.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between the ranks of \( A \) and \( M \). There is no consensus on whether the rank of \( A \) is equal to the rank of \( M \), as some argue for equality while others provide counterexamples suggesting otherwise.

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Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the definitions and properties of linear transformations and matrix ranks, leading to uncertainty in the discussion.

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This is a T/F - prove type of question:

A is m x n, M is matrix of TA with respect to bases B of R^m and B' of R^n. Then rank of A = rank of M.

My reasoning is that it is true, since the lin. transf. is R^n->R^m, which means that in this formula:

M = CB' A PB (CB' (coord matrix) is inverse of PB', and PB or PB' stands for point matrix with respect to the B or B' basis, respectively)

PB has dimension n and PB' has dimension m, and CB' has the same dimension as PB' (inverting a matrix should not change dimension, right?). And it also should be true that both PB and CB' are square matrices (?) because they are invertible and we can invert only square matrices (?), so what I have is following composition of dimensions of the matrices in the formula for M:

(m x m) (m x n) (n x n) = (m x n)

Is this correct?
Thanks in advance.
 
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What is T? you've just introduced TA without explaining what it T is.
 
matt grime said:
What is T? you've just introduced TA without explaining what it T is.
Oh, sorry, T stands for linear transformation.
Here is the full definition of the formula:
M = CB' A PB,
A is (m x n) matrix, B basis for R^n , B' basis for R^m, M matrix of TA: R^n->R^m with respec to basis B and B'.
 
Your question still confuses me a little.

Can I suggest: let A be linear map from V to W, and T a linear marp from W to itself, Is the rank of A the same as the rank of TA?

The answer is trivially no: let A be non-zero, and T be zero.

Unless, by linear transformation you mean something other than what I take it to mean.
 
the rank of a matrix is the dimension of the image of the corresponding linear map. hence it makes no difference what basis you use to express it.
 

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