Casimir force and cavity radiation.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Casimir force and its relationship to cavity radiation. Participants explore the calculation methods for the Casimir force, the theoretical underpinnings of cavity radiation, and the potential connections between these concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines a method for calculating the Casimir force by comparing energy states with and without plates, questioning if the approach using F=-dE/dx is correct.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about deriving the Casimir force from cavity radiation, seeking clarification on the relationship between the two concepts.
  • A participant speculates on the nature of cavity radiation, suggesting that electromagnetic waves can only have certain wavelengths within a cavity and that the probability of finding these waves is not zero, which may explain the phenomenon.
  • References to external resources, including a book by Kleinert and a paper, are provided for further reading on the topic.
  • Additional suggestions for literature, such as Itzykson & Zuber's treatise, are mentioned as alternatives for understanding the subject matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between the Casimir force and cavity radiation, and there are competing views regarding the validity of the proposed calculation methods.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the nature of cavity radiation and the specific steps in calculating the Casimir force remain unaddressed, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical uncertainties presented.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in quantum physics, particularly those studying the Casimir effect and cavity radiation, may find this discussion relevant.

Sterj
I tried to calculate the casimir force. I need to know if the way I doing it is correct. So I note some steps:

1. I calculate the energy in the space without the plates
2. I calculate the energy between the two plates
And then I speculated. I thougt of taking the difference of one and two and set the energy in F=-dE/dx --> correct?

And second:
Someone told me that we can derive the casimir force by working with the cavity radiation. I think that can't actualy be true, is it? (If yes: what has cavity radiation to do with the Casimir effect?)

Thirdly:
Why does cavity radiation/black body radiation happen? My thoughts: The electromagnetic waves can only have certain wave lengths in the body and the probability of finding these em waves ("phonons") is not zero right out of the body because it can not be zero everywhere. Is that the reason of cavity radiation?
 
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? Can't somebody answer?
 
Check out section 5.10 from Kleinert's book:"Quantum Field Theory & Particle Physics".

Daniel.
 
thanks you both.
 
Similar treatment you can find in Itzykson & Zuber treatise...Choose whichever you prefer.

Daniel.
 

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