Is It Possible to Prove Normality of Polynomials?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of proving the normality of polynomials, particularly focusing on the expression involving a polynomial P(x) with integer coefficients and its behavior in relation to a base b in decimal representation. Participants explore specific cases, such as P(x) = x^2 and P(x) = x^a, and question the implications of their definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant wonders if it is possible to prove anything about the normality of the series involving P(x) and base b, questioning if anything is known for simple polynomials like P(x) = x^2.
  • Another participant suggests that P(x) = x^a appears to be normal to base b, proposing that it might be straightforward to prove this rigorously.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the normality of numbers, indicating a personal interest in the topic.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the defined expression leads to a rational number, with one participant suggesting that it does, due to the repeating nature of the decimal representation.
  • Further discussion questions whether the definition provided encompasses all rational numbers and how one might begin to prove this.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of their definitions, particularly regarding the nature of the numbers defined by the polynomial expressions. There is no consensus on whether the defined expressions lead to normal numbers or if they strictly define rational numbers.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential limitations in their definitions and the implications of their findings, particularly regarding the relationship between polynomial expressions and rational numbers.

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I was just wondering if it was possible to prove anything about the normality of the number:

[tex]\sum_{x=0}^{\infty} \left((P(x) \mod b)\left(b^{-x}\right)\right)[/tex]

Where P(x) is a Polynomial with integer coefficients and b is the base of decimal representation. Is anything even known for simple polynomials such as P(x) = x^2?
 
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that looks like a pretty normal number to me.
 
mathwonk said:
that looks like a pretty normal number to me.
Well thinking about it is fairly obvious that for P(x) = x^a it is normal to base b and I would imagine not too difficult to prove rigourously. For that matter P(x) = x^a + c would seem to always be normal to base b as well.

Hmm, just a matter of curiosity I suppose, I've always been interested in the normality of numbers since I first heard about it.
 
Am I being stupid here?

Have I simply defined a rational number :confused:, anyone?
 
Zurtex said:
Have I simply defined a rational number :confused:, anyone?

Looks that way. P(x) = P(x+k*b) mod b for all integers k, so you have a repeating decimal.
 
shmoe said:
Looks that way. P(x) = P(x+k*b) mod b for all integers k, so you have a repeating decimal.
Hmm, o.k fair enough, but let's suppose I start here in thinking about normal numbers. The way I've defined rational numbers here doesn't stray too far from being able to define all real numbers. So does anyone know if this defines all rational numbers or at least how I would start about proving if it does?
 

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