Solving a Rocket Launch Problem: Find the Fuel Mass Fraction

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to rocket physics, specifically calculating the fuel mass fraction required for a rocket to achieve a certain final speed. The original poster attempts to apply a formula provided by their teacher to determine this fraction, while considering the effects of exhaust speed and initial conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the rocket equation and question whether gravity should be considered in the calculations. Some express uncertainty about the implications of the assumptions provided in the problem statement.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations presented, with some participants affirming the original poster's approach while others raise concerns about the assumptions made regarding gravity. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the final result as a fuel mass fraction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the specific instruction to ignore gravitational effects during the rocket's burn, which is a key assumption in the problem setup. This has led to differing opinions on the validity of the calculations presented.

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Did I do this right? I'm relying on a formula the teacher gave us in class, without quite understanding it intuitively. So I'm just rewriting the formula to solve for my unknown and plugging in numbers.

A sounding rocket launched from Earth’s surface is to achieve a final speed of 1000 m/s. If the exhaust speed of the spent fuel is 2000 m/s, what fraction of the rocket’s total mass at launch must be fuel? (Assume that the engine burns rapidly enough that you may ignore any effects due to Earth’s gravity during the burn.)
[tex] \[<br /> v_f =v_i +v_{ex} \ln \left[ {\frac{m_i }{m_f }} \right]<br /> \]<br /> \[<br /> v_f -v_i =v_{ex} \ln \left[ {\frac{m_i }{m_f }} \right]<br /> \]<br /> \[<br /> \ln \left[ {\frac{m_i }{m_f }} \right]=\frac{v_f -v_i }{v_{ex} }<br /> \]<br /> \[<br /> \ln \left[ {\frac{m_i }{m_f }} \right]=\frac{1000m/s-0m/s}{2000m/s}<br /> \]<br /> \[<br /> \ln \left[ {\frac{m_i }{m_f }} \right]=0.5<br /> \]<br /> \[<br /> \ln ^{-1}\left[ {0.5} \right]=1.6487<br /> \]<br /> \[<br /> \frac{m_i }{m_f }=1.67487<br /> \]<br /> \[<br /> \frac{m_f }{m_i }=\frac{1}{1.67487}<br /> \]<br /> \[<br /> \frac{m_f }{m_i }=0.60653<br /> \][/tex]
 
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Im not sure if that's right since gravity is not taken into account. You need to account for the force on the rocket caused by gravity as it is going up.

Regards,

Nenad
 
The instructions said to "Assume that the engine burns rapidly enough that you may ignore any effects due to Earth’s gravity during the burn"
 
tony873004 said:
The instructions said to "Assume that the engine burns rapidly enough that you may ignore any effects due to Earth’s gravity during the burn"

Your calculation looks OK to me as long as you remember that the answer is [tex]1-\frac{m_f }{m_i }[/tex].
 
Janitor said:
Your calculation looks OK to me as long as you remember that the answer is [tex]1-\frac{m_f }{m_i }[/tex].
That makes sense. The fraction represents the ratio of the rocket before and after, not the fuel, so subtracting it from 1 which represents the full rocket gives me the fuel ratio.

Thanks guys.
 

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