Sending Craft Into Air to Reduce Pollutants

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of deploying crafts into the atmosphere to capture and reduce pollutants, particularly CO2. Participants explore various technical, environmental, and economic challenges associated with this concept, touching on theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that any self-propelling craft would likely emit more pollutants than it could capture.
  • There is mention of solar-powered aircraft, such as a NASA model, as a potential clean energy source for such crafts.
  • Participants note the significant energy and resource requirements for capturing atmospheric pollutants, emphasizing the need for a chemical reaction to convert pollutants into harmless substances.
  • One participant speculates about the potential for a craft that could effectively remove CO2, suggesting that mass production and funding could make it viable, though they acknowledge it may be unrealistic.
  • Concerns are raised about the scale of operation needed, with one participant arguing that a single craft would be insufficient and that swarms would be necessary to make a meaningful impact.
  • Participants discuss the logistical challenges of storing or disposing of collected CO2, questioning the economic feasibility of destroying it.
  • Alternative solutions are proposed, such as promoting plant growth to naturally capture CO2, though this also faces challenges related to current CO2 output and plant coverage.
  • One participant compares the cost of cleaning up contaminants in small areas to the vast scale of the atmosphere, highlighting the difficulty of addressing atmospheric pollution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of using crafts to capture pollutants. There are competing ideas regarding the practicality of such an approach versus alternative solutions like enhancing plant growth or reducing CO2 generation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, including the need for vast quantities of reactants and the challenges of scaling any proposed solution to the global level. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the effectiveness and economic viability of various methods for addressing atmospheric pollution.

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Hey guys i was wondering about something. What are the reasons as to why you can't send up some craft into the air to eat up all the bad pollutants in our atmosphere? I am sure there are many reasons... but i was just wondering what they were.
 
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For starters, any self propelling craft would most likely spit out more pollutants than it could possibly take in (if indeed it could take in any at all).
 
What about solar aircraft like the... ugh.. what's that NASA one that's entirely solar powered?
 
Pengwuino said:
Hey guys i was wondering about something. What are the reasons as to why you can't send up some craft into the air to eat up all the bad pollutants in our atmosphere?

As was already mentioned, you would need a source of power for the craft that was clean (i.e. didn't make the problem worse). The biggest problem, however, is probably just the raw energy and resources required. Simply "eating" up the components of a gas isn't a simple matter...you'd have to introduce a chemical that reacted with the pollutant and formed something harmless. I'll leave it to the chem people to speculate on what such a chemical might be, but the important thing is that you'd need vast quantities of it. The total mass of the Earth's atmosphere is of order 1019 kg, so that's about 1015 kg of CO2. You'd would need a comparable quantity of the reactant to get the job done.
 
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Like i said, helios! Isnt that what its called? The NASA aircraft? They can bury CO2... which means they must have a way to solidify/liquify it... If you could only figure out a way to use electricity or a natural/replishable substance to take out the CO2... man... you'd be a friggen billionaire! I mean if you could figure some sort of craft out... and put the US mass-production capabilities into action and get some European funding... thatd be cool... but eh, pipe dreams i guess.
 
Keep on dreaming...Great inventors do that you know?
 
I wonder what the problems in getting the CO2 out of the atmosphere are htough... that's what i was hopen to get out of this thread :)
 
Whatever the treatment method used, an atmospheric-cleaning craft would just be a drop in the bucket. You would need massive swarms of such crafts to do anything to the atmosphere (and this is assuming the crafts don't generate their own CO2 from fuel consumption). It is doubtful (obviously I have not run the numbers) that you could produce enough of these crafts to overcome the CO2-input rate to the atmosphere from all human industry.

As mentioned above, the CO2 would need to go somewhere. If the crafts collect the CO2 (strip it out of the atmosphere), then you'll need a place to dump what you've collected (a huge volume that will slowly release CO2 back to the atmosphere over time). The other option...destroying CO2...would likely not be economically feasible.

There's a simpler & far cheaper solution...promote more plant growth. Plants can cover the land (a swarm in contact with the atmosphere) and capture CO2 and store it in the form of new plant cells (which will also help capture even more CO2). However, there's still the same problem of having enough plant matter to compensate for the CO2 inputs to the atmosphere (in general, we are increasing CO2 output and decreasing plant coverage).

Another solution...cut down on CO2 generation so the existing "CO2 sink" processes can be more effective.

As a comparison, it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars cleaning up contaminants in only a few acres of a groundwater aquifer. Now apply that scale to however-many-billions of cubic miles of atmosphere there are.
 

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