Can Quantum Mechanics Allow for Discontinuous Wavefunctions and Probabilities?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of discontinuous wavefunctions and probabilities within the framework of quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of such discontinuities in relation to the continuity requirements imposed by the Schrödinger equation and the probabilistic interpretation of quantum states.

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  • One participant argues that quantum mechanics requires continuity of the wavefunction and its first derivative, questioning the stringency of this requirement in light of general relativity's allowance for singularities.
  • Another participant asserts that continuity constraints arise from the need for the wavefunction to satisfy the second-order Schrödinger equation, suggesting that discontinuities would lead to undefined probabilities.
  • There is a discussion about the specific example of the functions cos(x) and -cos(x), with some participants pointing out that these functions are not discontinuous and that their derivatives also do not agree at any point.
  • A participant introduces the idea of a wavefunction being discontinuous at an initial time, raising concerns about the implications for the probabilistic interpretation of quantum mechanics, particularly regarding the definition of probability at that point.
  • Another participant notes that while a highly singular potential could theoretically allow for discontinuities, such scenarios do not represent physical situations and question the validity of such wavefunctions in practical terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of wavefunction discontinuities, with no consensus reached on whether such discontinuities can exist or what their consequences would be for quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the discussion, including the dependence on specific definitions of continuity and the nature of potentials in quantum mechanics. The implications of discontinuities for the probabilistic interpretation remain unresolved.

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Quantum mechanics requires continuity of the wavefunction and its first derivative. How stringent is this requirement? If general relativity allows singularities, why not have possible discontinuity of a single wavefunction and its derivative?

Take [psi]1(x)=cos(x) and [psi]2(x)=-cos(x). Although themselves and their derivatives respectively discontinuous, these wavefunctions define a continuous probability, |[psi]1(x)|2=|[psi]2(x)|2.

What of discontinuos quantum probability itself? Take a probability step function of finite domain, discrete at x=0. If we can say that an event occurs with probability P for -[ee]<x<0, what can we say about a probability P' for -[ee]<x<[ee]? It seems to me that this singular step makes undefinable probability P' in terms of P.
 
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discontinuity of the wave function.

First of all, it is funny you consider cos(x) as being a discontinuous function . But ok, apart from that, the continuity constraints on the wave function psi come essentially from the condition that it has to obey the Schroedinger equation, which is second order in x. In order for the second order derivative to be finite (even if discontinuous), the first order derivative and the function itself should be continuous. If you allow for infinite potentials (such as a hard wall), then the second order derivative should also become infinite, hence only the function itself should be continuous, but it is clear that this is an idealisation in the model.

cheers,
patrick.
 
vanesch,

"respectively discontinuous." Just graph them together - at no value of x are cos(x) and -cos(x) in continuous agreement, or are their derivatives.
 
Ah... I suppose you're talking about a function, f(x), such that:

f(x) = cos(x) if x<y
f(x) = - cos(x) if x > y

for some y.

Sorry, the expression "respectively discontinuous" was a bit weird to me, but I guess you meant the above.

f(x) won't be the solution to any "reasonable" Schroedinger equation. I say, "reasonable" because you could think of a highly singular potential function which doesn't represent a physical situation for which this could be heuristically true (with derivatives of Dirac impulses).
The probability is not the only physical content of the wave function. The phase is just as important, and in the classical limit, the phase corresponds to Hamilton's principal function (in Hamilton-Jacobi theory in classical mechanics). So it is not because the probability seems to make sense that any underlying complex function makes sense as a quantum wave function.

cheers,
Patrick.
 
vanesch said:
But ok, apart from that, the continuity constraints on the wave function psi come essentially from the condition that it has to obey the Schroedinger equation, which is second order in x.

But this does not mean that the wave function cannot be discontinuous at the initial time t=0, right? So if at t=0 a wavefunction is discontinuous at a point, doesn't that go against the probabilistic interpretation? I mean, probability of finding a particle at that point would be undefined.
 

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