Solving Parametric Equation to Find Area - Help Needed!

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The discussion revolves around finding the area enclosed by a parametric equation defined by x = t^3 - 2t and y = 9t^2. Participants are exploring the integration process and the correct bounds for the area calculation.

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the parametric equations and question the correctness of the bounds used. There are attempts to derive an explicit relationship between x and y, and to find intersection points of the curves defined by the equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various approaches to finding the bounds for integration. Some have suggested methods for determining where the curves intersect, while others are clarifying their understanding of the steps involved in the process.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the bounds for integration, with participants questioning the values derived from the intersection points. Additionally, there are concerns about the validity of negative values in the context of the equations being discussed.

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Find the area of the region enclosed by the parametric equation
[tex]x=t^3-2t[/tex]
[tex]y=9t^2[/tex]

[tex]dx/dt = 3t^2-2[/tex]
9t^2 - 1 = 0
[tex]t=\pm \sqrt {1/9}[/tex]

[tex]\int_{-1/3}^{1/3} (9t^2)*(3t^2-2) dt[/tex]

= -2/5

anyone know where i went wrong?
 
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I don't understand what you did in line 3, 4, 5...

What I recommand doing is to find a explicit relation between x and y. This can be done in the following manner.

[tex]y = 9t^2 \Rightarrow t = \pm \sqrt{y/9}[/tex]

In (1):

[tex]x(y) = \pm (y/9)^{3/2} \mp \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{y}[/tex]

Now you got two curves. See where they intersect. See at which values of t does this corespond. Integrate acordingly (you did that right, except with the wrong bounds).
 
[tex]x(y) = \pm (y/9)^{3/2} \mp \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{y}[/tex]

what am i suppose to do after this? solve for y? can you help me out a bit more? I'm just so confuse on how to find the bounds.
 
See where they intersect. Set them equal:

[tex](y/9)^{3/2} - \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{y} = - (y/9)^{3/2} + \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{y}[/tex]

and solve for y.

You'll find 2 y. Using [itex]y=9t^2[/itex], find to which values of t these two y corespond. These are your bounds.
 
setting those equal to each other and solving for y, i get [tex]\pm\sqrt{973}[/tex]

those are the two y's right?

"Using y=9t^2, find to which values of t these two y corespond. These are your bounds"

are you saying to plug in [tex]\pm\sqrt{973}[/tex] into the y equation?
 
I don't get the same thing as you do. I get

[tex](y/9)^{3/2} - \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{y} = - (y/9)^{3/2} + \frac{2}{3}\sqrt{y}[/tex]

Right there, a solution is obviously y = 0. Let's find another.

[tex]2(y/9)^{3/2} = \frac{4}{3}\sqrt{y}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{4}{729}y^3 = \frac{16}{9}y[/tex]

[tex]\frac{4}{729}y^2 = \frac{16}{9}[/tex]

[tex]y = \pm\sqrt{ \frac{16}{9}\frac{729}{4}} = \pm \sqrt{324} = \pm 18[/tex]

This is a bit weird because [itex]y=-18[/itex] is not a selution because [itex]\sqrt{-18}[/itex] and [itex]\sqrt{(-18)^3}[/itex] are undefined. So y = +18 is our other solution. There are no other.

By "Using y=9t^2, find to which values of t these two y corespond. These are your bounds" I mean...

for which t will we have y=0 and for which t will be have y=18?

Well,

[tex]y= 0 = 9t^2 \Leftrightarrow t=0[/tex]

and

[tex]y=18 = 9t^2 \Leftrightarrow t = \pm \sqrt{2}[/tex]

We only need one. So let's discard the minus one.

Now integrate dxdy from 0 to sqrt{2} like you did before.
 

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