How Does the Strong Triangle Inequality Justify Equal p-adic Balls?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the strong triangle inequality in the context of p-adic metrics, specifically in proving that open balls of equal radius centered at different points are equal if one point lies within the other. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of metric properties.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes to prove that if point r is in the open ball Be(s), then Be(s) equals Be(r), using the strong triangle inequality.
  • Another participant defines the strong triangle inequality as d(x,z) <= max{d(x,y), d(y,z)} and applies it to show that if x is in Be(r), then d(x,s) must also be less than e, suggesting that Be(r) is contained in Be(s).
  • A participant questions why the strong triangle inequality is necessary, noting that using the general triangle inequality would only yield d(x,s) < 2e.
  • Another participant clarifies that the strong triangle inequality is needed to ensure d(x,s) < e, which is crucial for showing that x is also in Be(s).
  • One participant argues that if the strong triangle inequality were not needed, it would imply that overlapping balls of radius e are equal, which they find unreasonable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of the strong triangle inequality versus the general triangle inequality, indicating a lack of consensus on the implications of using one form over the other.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the definitions of the triangle inequality and the implications of using different forms in the context of p-adic metrics. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the properties of the metric space involved.

Ed Quanta
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Let e>0 and let Be(r),Be(s) denote the open balls of radius e centered at r,s with respect to the p-adic metric. Prove that if r is an element of Be(s), then Be(s)=Be(r).

Can someone show me how to use the strong triangle inequality to do this?
 
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Is this what you mean by strong triangle inequality?

d(x,z) <= max{d(x,y), d(y,z)} for all x,y,z in whatever space.

If so, suppose that x is an element of B_e(r). That is, d(x,r) < e. We are given that d(r,s) < e. Then use the triangle inequality to show that d(x,s) < e also. So B_e(r) is contained in B_e(s). Use a similar argument to show B_e(s) is contained in B_e(r).
 
Yes, that was what I meant by the strong triangle inequality. Why must I use this form of the triangle inequality as opposed to the more general form of the triangle inequality?

And since d(x,s)<=max(d(x,r),d(r,s))

We know d(x,r)<e and d(r,s)<e, so wouldn't this just imply

d(x,s)<2e?
 
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Ed Quanta said:
Why must I use this form of the triangle inequality as opposed to the more general form of the triangle inequality?
Because the regular triangle inequality only gets you d(x,s) < 2e, like you showed. This stronger version says that d(x,s) is less than or equal to the larger of these other two "distances" d(x,r) and d(r,s), both of which are strictly less than e. That is, d(x,s) < e. You need this to show that x is also in B_e(s).
 
And, as a corollary, i you didnt' need the strong one then yo'uve said that all balls of radius e that over lap are equal, and that doesn't seem at all reasonable does it?
 

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