Can strings change frequency or stop vibrating?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of strings in string theory, particularly focusing on whether strings can stop vibrating or change their resonance frequency. Participants explore implications for virtual particles and the effects of gravitational fields, such as those near black holes, on string vibrations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if strings can stop vibrating, it could explain the emergence of virtual particles, proposing that a non-vibrating string could become detectable by starting to vibrate at a photon frequency.
  • Another participant questions whether a string approaching a black hole would experience a change in frequency due to time dilation effects, noting that time dilation is relative to observers.
  • There is speculation about the existence of a 'rest' mode of resonance for strings that might not be detectable with current technology.
  • One participant references Brian Greene's work, suggesting that string behavior under extreme conditions could relate to cyclic time and the Big Crunch theory.
  • Another participant asserts that many string theory predictions are undetectable, emphasizing the vast range of energy scales involved.
  • A different viewpoint is presented, proposing that virtual particles might not be entirely 'virtual' but could represent transitions between different particle states due to changes in string frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and uncertainties regarding string behavior, with no consensus reached on whether strings can stop vibrating or change frequency. Multiple competing views on the implications of these ideas for virtual particles and detection remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current technology for detecting certain string modes and the dependence of string behavior on complex factors such as momentum and energy levels.

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Hello everyone,

I'm a undergraduate student in the field of physics. I'm working toward a BS in Physics from University of North Carolina at Wilmington.

I've been thinking about string modes of resonance lately and wonder if the theory allows strings to stop vibrating or change resonance frequency.

If so, this could explain 'virtual particle' clouds. Imagine:

A string that is not vibrating could not be detected by modern equipment. However, if that string suddenly started vibrating at the frequency of a photon, then it would seem to us the photon magically popped into existence from nowhere.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and responses! Especially those that include math.
 
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Barfield said:
Hello everyone,

I'm a undergraduate student in the field of physics. I'm working toward a BS in Physics from University of North Carolina at Wilmington.

I've been thinking about string modes of resonance lately and wonder if the theory allows strings to stop vibrating or change resonance frequency.

If so, this could explain 'virtual particle' clouds. Imagine:

A string that is not vibrating could not be detected by modern equipment. However, if that string suddenly started vibrating at the frequency of a photon, then it would seem to us the photon magically popped into existence from nowhere.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and responses! Especially those that include math.
It may be that the only thing keeping the string from collapsing into thin space is that it vibrates so that there is some energy to sustain it.

What if a string approaches the event horizon of a black hole? Wouldn't the frequency slow down as time dialates?
 
Mike2 said:
It may be that the only thing keeping the string from collapsing into thin space is that it vibrates so that there is some energy to sustain it.

What if a string approaches the event horizon of a black hole? Wouldn't the frequency slow down as time dialates?

Time doesn't dilate for an object falling near the event horizon, only for a far-awy observer watching that fall.

Someone deeper in string theory than I am can correct me, but I believe the frequency modes of a string depend on its momentum, which can vary.
 
Mike2 said:
It may be that the only thing keeping the string from collapsing into thin space is that it vibrates so that there is some energy to sustain it.
I wonder then if there is a 'rest' mode of resonance or modes that cannot be detected by our current technology as particles. Could still work... if strings can change frequency. :smile:

Mike2 said:
What if a string approaches the event horizon of a black hole? Wouldn't the frequency slow down as time dialates?
A similar theory was discussed by Brian Greene in 'The Elegant Universe'. It pertained to the Big Crunch and says that our time is cyclic because of string reaction to being compressed under high gravity.
 
Brian Greene, The Elegant Universe
"The uncertainty principle ensures that nothing is ever perfectly at rest. All objects undergo quantum jitter..."

I knew that, I swear! So now I will revise my idea:

The energy embodied in a string vibrational pattern is a whole number multiple of http://www.planck.com/planckenergy.htm . Are there energy and/or resonance modes that we can't detect?
 
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Sure there are, in fact the immense majority of string theory is undetectable. Many of the resonances that a given model could predict in principle are far out of our observational means by something like 20 orders of magnitude.

Now if the question was, if we had a Planckian particle accelerator, are there modes we cannot detect? Well I guess the answer is, be more specific! We can never detect say a gluon in nature, but we can infer its presence by the way other particle/modes react to it.
 
Hi Haelfix,

While reading your post I got the feeling that maybe 'virtual particles' aren't so virtual. Maybe these particles simply change from being one particle into being another particle (internal string frequency changes), but we can't 'see' the second particle because its too massive. So, to us, the 'virtual particle' disappears and we don't see it again until its energy drops.
 
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Reading again from 'The Elegant Universe', I find that strings themselves can be virtual - leading directly into virtual particles. Oh well... I tried!
 

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