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The discussion revolves around the factorization of the polynomial x^5 + x + 1. Participants explore various approaches to factor the polynomial, discuss its roots, and examine the implications of its structure. The conversation includes both theoretical and practical aspects of polynomial factorization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims that the polynomial cannot be factored, stating it has only one real root that is complex.
  • Another participant proposes a factorization of the polynomial as (x^3 - x^2 + 1)(x^2 + x + 1) and confirms it equals x^5 + x + 1.
  • Some participants reiterate that the polynomial cannot be factored further, emphasizing that it is in its simplest form with no like terms.
  • A participant mentions that every real polynomial can be factored into linear and quadratic functions, but acknowledges the difficulty in doing so.
  • Another participant discusses using Cardano's formula to find roots of the cubic factor x^3 - x^2 + 1, expressing reluctance to fully factor it over the complex numbers.
  • Complex solutions are noted, with one participant providing detailed expressions for the roots of the cubic factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factorization of the polynomial. While some assert it cannot be factored, others provide a specific factorization and discuss its implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of the factorization and the nature of the roots.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the nature of the roots and the definitions of factorization in different contexts (real vs. complex). The mathematical steps involved in applying Cardano's formula are not fully resolved.

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How can I factor the following polynomial?

[tex]x^5+x+1[/tex]

Thanks for your help.
 
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U can't...It has only one real root and that's it...And that root is really ugly.

Daniel.
 
took me a while to get it right
[tex](x^3-x^2+1)(x^2+x+1)[/tex]=[tex](x^5+x+1)[/tex]=[tex]x(x^4+1)+1[/tex]
 
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It doesn't give you too much,though...2 complex solutions out of 5.

But u did it...Congratulations ! :smile:

Daniel.
 
like dextercioby said, concerning (x^5 + x + 1) it cannot be factored. Some things are already in their simplest form. X^2 is one monomial, x is one monomial, and 1 is one monomial. There are no like terms, thus they cannot be factored.
 
eNathan said:
like dextercioby said, concerning (x^5 + x + 1) it cannot be factored. Some things are already in their simplest form. X^2 is one monomial, x is one monomial, and 1 is one monomial. There are no like terms, thus they cannot be factored.
huan.conchito said:
[tex](x^3-x^2+1)(x^2+x+1)=(x^5+x+1)[/tex]

Erm this is correct.
 
like dextercioby said, concerning (x^5 + x + 1) it cannot be factored. Some things are already in their simplest form. X^2 is one monomial, x is one monomial, and 1 is one monomial. There are no like terms, thus they cannot be factored.

Every real polynomial can be factored to a product of linear and quadratic functions over the reals. Of course, in almost every case this is a very difficult thing to do.
 
huan.conchito said:
took me a while to get it right
[tex](x^3-x^2+1)(x^2+x+1)[/tex]=[tex](x^5+x+1)[/tex]=[tex]x(x^4+1)+1[/tex]

This is as far as the polynomial can be factored in [tex]\mathbb{Z}[x][/tex], unless I'm mistaken. Good job! I'm going to try to Cardano it, just to see if I can still do that...

c=1
d=-\frac{25}{27}

Working on [tex]f=x^3-x^2+1[/tex] and substituting [tex]z=x-\frac13[/tex] we get [tex]f=z^3+z^2-\frac13z+\frac{1}{27}-z^2-\frac23z-\frac19+1=z^3-z+\frac{25}{27}[/tex].



Using Cardano's formula, we have [tex]z=\sqrt[3]{-\frac{25}{54}+\sqrt{\frac{5^4}{2^23^6}-\frac{1}{3^3}}}+\sqrt[3]{-\frac{25}{54}-\sqrt{\frac{5^4}{2^23^6}-\frac{1}{3^3}}}[/tex]

which "simplifies" to

[tex]z=\sqrt[3]{\frac{\sqrt{517}-25}{54}}-\sqrt[3]{\frac{\sqrt{517}+25}{54}}[/tex].

Well, I suppose this could be used to factor this into monomials over [tex]\mathbb{C}[x][/tex], but I'd really hate to actually do it. I like [tex](x^3-x^2+1)(x^2+x+1)[/tex] much better.
 
[tex]x^3-x^2+1=0[/tex], Solution is : $\left\{ x=-\sqroot{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }-\frac 1{9\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }}+\frac 13\right\} ,\allowbreak \left\{ x=\frac 12\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }+\frac 1{18\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }}+\frac 13+\frac 12i\sqrt{3}\left( -\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }+\frac 1{9\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }}\right) \right\} ,\allowbreak \left\{ x=\frac 12\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }+\frac 1{18\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }}+\frac 13-\frac 12i\sqrt{3}\left( -\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }+\frac 1{9\root{3}\of{\left( \frac{25}{54}+\frac 1{18}\sqrt{69}\right) }}\right) \right\} $
 

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