Find the terminal speed of a 750-kg rocket

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The discussion revolves around finding the terminal speed of a rocket with a specified mass and fuel. The original poster presents a formula and initial calculations but finds a discrepancy with a textbook answer.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply a formula involving initial and final mass to calculate terminal speed. Some participants question the definitions of initial and final mass, suggesting a need for clarification on these terms. Another participant introduces a variable mass equation related to rocket motion and gravitational forces.

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The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the mass variables and the application of relevant equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of mass, but no consensus has been reached on the calculations or the correct approach to the problem.

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Participants note potential confusion regarding the mass definitions and the initial conditions of the problem, as well as the implications of gravitational forces on the rocket's motion.

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Find the terminal speed of a 750-kg rocket that starts from rest carrying 2600kg of fuel and that expels its exhuast gases at 1.8 k/ma

here's the formula I am using: [tex]v_f = v_i + v_{ex}*ln{\frac{M_i}{M_f}}[/tex]

well since it's at rest, initial velocity is zero. so...

[tex]v_f = 1.8*ln(750/2500)[/tex] which turns out to be 2.2 km/s. but the book says the answer is 2.7km/s
 
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I believe the Mi and Mf mean mass initial and mass final, check those, the initial mass will be the mass of the rocket and its fuel and the final mass will be just the rocket...I think :rolleyes: Guess I'm a little tired again today :zzz:
 
michael376071 said:
I believe the Mi and Mf mean mass initial and mass final, check those, the initial mass will be the mass of the rocket and its fuel and the final mass will be just the rocket...I think :rolleyes: Guess I'm a little tired again today :zzz:

Yah that is correct. Mi is mass initial (overall mass) and Mf is mass final (overall mass - expelled gas)
 
If I denote the relative velocity of the ejected fuel with respect to the rocket as [itex]\u[/itex] then the variable mass equation I use is

[tex]M\frac{dv}{dt} = F_{ext}-u\frac{dM}{dt}[/tex]

In case of a rocket in the gravitational field (I guess this is what you want?), [itex]F_{ext} = Mg[/itex] so here,

[tex]M\frac{dv}{dt} = Mg-u\frac{dM}{dt}[/tex]

At terminal speed, the acceleration of the rocket is zero...
 

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