Proving K/F is Separable Extension

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The discussion revolves around proving that if E/F and K/E are finite separable extensions, then K/F is also a separable extension. The scope includes theoretical aspects of field extensions and separability in algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving that the minimal polynomial over F is separable, given that the minimal polynomial over E is separable.
  • Another participant suggests using the connection between separability, degree, and the number of automorphisms as a hint to approach the problem.
  • A participant acknowledges a previous discussion on a related topic but finds the hint potentially helpful for their current question.
  • One participant raises a question about finding F automorphisms of K, noting that they already have F automorphisms of E due to its separability, but struggles with expanding the definition to K.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the approach to proving the separability of K/F. Multiple competing views and unresolved questions remain regarding the use of automorphisms and the relationship between the extensions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about the relationships between the extensions and the specific properties of the automorphisms involved. The steps to prove the separability of the minimal polynomial over F are not fully resolved.

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Hi all,

Suppose E/F and K/E are finite separable extensions. Prove: K/F is a separable extension.

I tried, but I'm stuck again. (Have you noticed I have one like this every week? And it seems I'm the only one that's even trying to submit these H.W. weekly...).

Anyway, that was my direction: Given [tex]\[<br /> \theta \in K<br /> \][/tex], I know that [tex]\[<br /> \mu _\theta \left( x \right)<br /> \][/tex] (the minimal polynomial over E) is separable. What I need to prove is that [tex]\[<br /> \hat \mu _\theta \left( x \right)<br /> \][/tex], which is the minimal polynomial over F, is separable.
I know that [tex]\[<br /> \mu '_\theta \left( x \right) \ne 0<br /> \][/tex], since [tex]\[<br /> \mu _\theta \left( x \right)<br /> \][/tex]is separable and therefore [tex]\[<br /> \left( {\mu ,\mu '} \right) = 1<br /> \][/tex]. I now need to prove that [tex]\[<br /> \hat \mu '_\theta \left( x \right) \ne 0<br /> \][/tex].
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Tried all kinds of things, didn't get me far though... Any hints would be appreciated. :smile:
 
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didnt i already answer this in some detail a day or 2 ago? i.e. use the connection between separability, degree, and number of automorphisms.
 
It was something else back then (the extension E(a) when a is separable over E is separable. Here a is separable over a separable extension of E). But I think your hint might have just solved my question anyway.
Thanks a lot! (And sorry for all the trouble I'm causing you with this class. But I love it! It really is a fascinating class. I'm actually the only one, almost, that tries to solve the questions he publishes).
I'm starting to get the hang of this separable thing though. You might have noticed that's what causing me the most trouble...
 
O.K., reached a new block. :biggrin:

Given an E automorphism of K, I want to find [E:F] F automorphisms of K, right?
Now I already have [E:F] F automorphisms of E, since E/F is separable- but that doesn't allow me to expand the definition of my E automorphism of K. The natural way to expand it wouldn't give me even a homomorphism. (I've just checked).
So where's the catch? How can I find [K:F] F automorphisms of K?
 

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