What Are Right Ideals in M(n,n) and How to Explore Them?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "right ideals" in the context of the vector space of n x n matrices, M(n,n). Participants are exploring a test question that involves properties of subspaces and linear combinations of matrices, specifically focusing on the implications of right ideals and their definitions. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to matrix algebra.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the term "right ideals" and the notation used in the problem, indicating a lack of understanding of the question's requirements.
  • Another participant clarifies that M(n,n) refers to the vector space of n x n matrices, suggesting that understanding the identity matrix's decomposition could be beneficial for solving the problem.
  • There is a discussion about the notation, with participants attempting to clarify what terms like R_n and A(ij) mean, with some suggesting that A(ij) refers to matrix entries while others question this interpretation.
  • One participant proposes that X(ij) should be considered a vector rather than a scalar, arguing that the context implies a vector space framework.
  • Another participant explains the definition of a right ideal in relation to vector subspaces, emphasizing the importance of distinguishing between different meanings of R in the context of the problem.
  • Several hints are provided regarding how to approach parts of the problem, particularly in terms of expressing matrices as linear combinations and understanding the implications of being in the right ideal.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the notation and concepts involved, leading to some confusion. There is no consensus on the interpretation of certain terms, and multiple competing views on the definitions and implications of right ideals remain unresolved.

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Limitations in understanding arise from unclear notation and definitions, particularly concerning the terms R_n and the entries of matrices. Participants note the potential for misinterpretation of terms and the need for careful consideration of the properties of right ideals.

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Ok, so this is an extra credit question on a test, i haven't really tried it yet, but the test is thurs, so i figured i'd try to post this to see what anyone says, and then see what i work out, or whatever. I don't even know what "right ideals" means, but our prof said that's what the question was about... so i figured... ya...

Let R be a subspace of V = M(n,n) such that AB is in R whenever A is in R. Let W be the subspace of R_n spanned by all AX with A in R, X in R_n.

A) show that for any matrix A in M
i) Aej = Aj and ii) A= summation(AjeJ)

B) show that if AX is in W for every X in R_n then Aj is in W.

C) Write Aj as a linear combination of products A(ij)X(ij), A(ij) in R, X(ij) in R_n

D) use ii) to show that if A is as in B), then A is in R
E) show that R consists of all matrices A in M with AX in W for all X in R_n

OOOOK... so that's the problem. The only hint he gave us was the "right ideals" thing. So i'll google that and see if i can work this all out in the morning. I pretty much have tons of trouble with this stuff though, so we'll see. Any help would be totally awesome! oh, and if you don't understand the question... join the club... i can try to explain his notation if its weird... but that's about it. thanks in advance...
 
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I'm boggled by most of the notation -- you probably should explain what all of it means. (The only thing I'm sure of is that M(n, n), or [itex]M_{n, n}[/itex] means the vector space of nxn matrices, presumably with real entries!)


I can make a comment that I think will be useful -- if you write the identity matrix, I as a sum of other matrices, then it is sometimes productive to observe that A = AI, and then replace I with that sum... and then later use this "decomposition" by substuting it in for A.
 
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mk, i'll try and rewrite in latex, even though our test is written entirely this way, i'll do my best to explain...

Let R be a subspace of [tex]V = M_{n,n}[/tex] such that AB is in R whenever A is in R. Let W be the subspace of [tex]R_{n}[/tex] spanned by all AX with A in R, X in [tex]R_{n}.[/tex]

a)show that for any matrix A in M
i) Aej = Aj and ii) [tex]A= \Sigma (Ajej)[/tex]

[ok, so here, ej means the the j-ith column of the identity matrix... i think... see if that makes sense. Aj is the jth column of A i guess, and the second ej could be the jth row of the identity or jth column... I'm not sure]

b) ...
[same as before, i guess R_n means [tex]R_{n}[/tex] if that helps... Aj means jth column of j i assume...]

c) again.. tex doesn't change anything...
[A(ij) is the entry of A in the ith row and jth column. X(ij) is the entry in X in the ith row jth column.]

d) and e) stay the same, i don't know how i could explain those any better...

Anyways, ya, he's notation is sort of weird i guess... but i don't have a book to really notice the difference anyways. So, maybe that helps... again, i'll do out some of the work if i can in the morning. Its way to late to make sense of this right now.
 
I don't know what R_n means, though.

C) is odd -- Aj is a matrix, but if A_ij and X_ij are scalars... no linear combination of scalars can be a matrix. My best guess is he's again doing something weird... instead of A_ij being the (i,j)-th entry of A, he's saying that A_ij is just yet another matrix. (because he says A(ij) in R) I guess that's why he wrote A(ij) instead of A_ij?
 
R_n just means numbers in the nth dimension.
 
I'm not so sure that X(ij) is a scaler. I think that X(ij) is just the vector that goes with the scaler A(ij). The question does say that X(ij) is in R_n which suggests we are talking about a vector.

A right ideal (in the case of vectors) is exactly the definition of R. ie a vector subspace of a ring V(where you consider the ring a vector space over its centre) with the property that if [tex]A\in R[/tex] and [tex]B\in R[/tex] then [tex]AB \in R[/tex].

The only thing to watch out for from parts A through D is that you show some care to recognize when R means the right ideal and when R means the reals. Part A section ii is a little bit of a mystery to me, even if you take ej to be a row vector.

B is simple. You just need to consider the right X in R_n. Hint you use these vectors all the time. You've even used them in part A

Again in C you just need to choose the right vector for X(ij)

D is a little trickier. I might be finding it tricky because I don't understand what ii) means. First can you show Aj is in W? Then consider what it means to be in W (ie the span of some set). With that in mind can you right out Aj as a sum of elements of the form Bx with B in right ideal and x some vector. Now can you right out A as a sum of Matrices of the form BX with B in the right ideal and X just some matrix. What does that mean about A?

And then E becomes easy again. If A is in R does it satisfy the condition? And you showed in D that if A satisfies the condition then A is in R.

I don't think I've given too much away and I hope I've cleared up the problem a little.

Steven
 

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