Is Quantum Redshift the Key to Understanding the Photoelectric Effect?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between quantum redshift and the photoelectric effect, particularly exploring alternative explanations for the cosmological redshift, also known as the Hubble redshift. Participants examine concepts related to energy decay in light, diffusion of energy, and the implications of these ideas on existing theories such as the Doppler effect.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mike proposes that the cosmological redshift is caused by quantum decay in light waves, suggesting that emitted light retains its energy regardless of distance but fades over time into wavelength.
  • Some participants challenge the idea of energy fading, questioning where the energy would go if it diminishes over time.
  • Another participant clarifies that the fading of energy refers to diffusion, implying that energy concentration reduces without actual loss.
  • There is a contention regarding the validity of Mike's theory, with others arguing that the redshift can be more simply explained by the Doppler effect, particularly in light of blue shifts observed in some celestial objects.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the concept of "tired light," questioning how light could 'age' since only mass-possessing entities have time-based interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the causes of redshift, with some supporting quantum decay theories and others favoring the Doppler effect explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the mechanisms of energy decay and its implications, as well as the definitions of terms like "tired light" and "universal friction." The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations regarding energy conservation and propagation in space.

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I think the cosmological redshift, called the "Hubble" redshift which Edwin Hubble discovered and photographed, is caused by quantum decay in light and other electric field) waves, i.e. photoelectric radiation. When emitted, light from a particular elements electronic transitions are at the same energy no matter how distant. They are actually at fairly high energy when emitted, compared with most things in space, and their wavelengths are short. During long time in space (Many millions of years or more) the energy gradually fades in time, into wavetime, and the momentum (related to energy) gradually fades into distance, into wavelength. It works perfectly well in covariant space-time. It explains the redshift fairly accurately, and does not require any complicated "big bang" or "expanding universe" theories. Diffusion already exists in waves, in known propagation, as in a step function on an antenna.

Check out the urls at

http://groups.msn.com/HubbleRedShiftbyPhotonDecay

http://members.chello.nl/~n.benschop/indx-red.htm (a mirror)

I hope you can do something with them.

Mike Lewis
 
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how can the energy fade, there must be an equal amount of energy in the universe at anyone time (including energy in matter and matter in black holes)

if it fades, where does it go
 
The fading of energy that Mike mentions means: diffusion. In other words: its concentration reduces, and spreads over space; there is no loss of energy though.
Also called here: "photon decay" ( see http://members.chello.nl/~n.benschop )
which is normal in any physical process, and happens exponentially, down to zero.
If you like: due to "universal friction" everywhere (here: EM waves propagating in the ubiquitous ether. with a minute amount of decay per traveled distance). -- NB
 
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Mike Lewis said:
I think the cosmological redshift, called the "Hubble" redshift which Edwin Hubble discovered and photographed, is caused by quantum decay in light and other electric field) waves, i.e. photoelectric radiation. When emitted, light from a particular elements electronic transitions are at the same energy no matter how distant.
Mike Lewis

But the red shift can more easily be exolained using the doplers effect.You theory might prove invalid because some space objects also show the blue shift.
 
the red shift can easily be explained using doplers effect.
And how are you going to explain why some objects show blue shift using your theory.
 
Tired light is amusing. How does light 'age'? Only mass possessing entities have time based interactions.
 
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